User Tag List

First 12345 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 56

  1. #21
    nee andante bechimo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    8,025

    Default

    Slippery slope argument and seductive as a siren's song. You either uphold democracy or embrace other forms of government.

  2. #22
    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    6,276

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by InTheFlesh View Post
    His argument assumes that politicians follow their campaign promises with action in office, which is almost never the case. You can be aware of a politician's stance on major controversies, but that doesn't mean what he says will translate into anything more than rhetoric.
    No it doesn't.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

  3. #23
    null Jonny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    FREE
    Posts
    2,486

    Default

    I feel the same way and have mentioned it on more than one occasion. It's just common sense.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  4. #24
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    I see absolutely nothing disputable about refraining from voting and have never encountered opposition in this regard. The United States, for one, has one of the lowest voter turnouts of any advanced nation. I find this to be the case due to the farcical nature of our "democracy." We have a two-party system wherein both parties and our mass media are subservient to corporate interests, which reduces any possibility of increasing voter "awareness" amongst the masses.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  5. #25
    nee andante bechimo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    8,025

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    We have a two-party system wherein both parties and our mass media are subservient to corporate interests, which reduces any possibility of increasing voter "awareness" amongst the masses.
    Only if the masses believe that knowledge should be spoon fed. People are responsible for feeding themselves.

  6. #26
    nee andante bechimo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    8,025

    Default

    I sit torn by this issue. On one hand, it would be fantastic if voters were all knowledgeable. On the otherhand, what is an acceptable level of knowledge? Should only people with expertise such as degrees or work related experience in the applicable fields be allowed to vote? There's a part of me that cringes at intellectual snobbery, as well as being concerned about equality and rights associated to different forms of democracy.

    As a side thought, how about governments being put into an administrative capacity where parties no longer exist? If voting was set by issues and multiple solutions presented, with the option to bypass voting on any issues, might this not work more effectively?

  7. #27
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Only if the masses believe that knowledge should be spoon fed. People are responsible for feeding themselves.
    I find it absurd to adopt such a position when our mainstream media are literally bankrupt regarding comprehensive coverage and fidelity to the truth. Expecting a functioning democracy to persist, let alone thrive, when information is purposely curtailed and dissenting views are never allowed the same degree of public exposure is ridiculous. The internet, for its part, actually has managed to increase public sensitivity regarding political injustice, but one cannot reasonably expect to find cultivated voters when the structure of our political system is thoroughly anti-democratic.

    Even if we take the position that the majority of individuals are idiots (something that I hardly contend), your vulgar notion of individualism is simplistic at best and wholly ignorant at worst if we seriously wish to uphold democracy.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  8. #28
    Senor Membrane
    Join Date
    May 2008
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    3,190

    Default

    Or we could turn it around and say that at the moment people are force-fed a diet of poor nutritional value and little variety.

  9. #29
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    I sit torn by this issue. On one hand, it would be fantastic if voters were all knowledgeable. On the otherhand, what is an acceptable level of knowledge? Should only people with expertise such as degrees or work related experience in the applicable fields be allowed to vote? There's a part of me that cringes at intellectual snobbery, as well as being concerned about equality and rights associated to different forms of democracy.
    Clearly, nobody who seriously espouses participatory democracy expects voters to vote upon the technical details of economics, finance, foreign policy, research and development, and so on. However, I believe that maximizing participation as far as possible, presenting well-rounded opinions, maintaining equal representation, allowing for constructive debate, etc., and, after having secured a legitimate platform upon which such a democratic process can occur, offering the relevant possible options would serve to tremendously improve our dismal political situation. Technology would certainly enable greater potential for empowering voters. This should be done at least for local governments, which are, in any case, less complex and familiar to its residents.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  10. #30
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Or we could turn it around and say that at the moment people are force-fed a diet of poor nutritional value and little variety.
    Whom are you addressing? Is that supposed to be taken literally?

    My point was that it is preposterous to think that seriously anti-democratic structural features in society would produce citizens who are capable of democratically managing a country—this is so despite individual shortcomings. Not only does our economic organization follow along overwhelmingly authoritarian lines, but our political system is unashamedly biased toward the rich, our means of communication controlled by a few, and our educational system grossly inadequate.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

Similar Threads

  1. The Ethics of MBTI and Enneagram
    By highlander in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 02-06-2011, 11:28 PM
  2. Fair Play and the ethics of sports...
    By Blackmail! in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 11-22-2009, 03:23 PM
  3. Abortion: The Ethics of Liberty
    By TheLastMohican in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: 03-21-2009, 07:49 PM
  4. On the nature of ethics
    By SolitaryWalker in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 57
    Last Post: 02-23-2009, 04:55 PM
  5. The Ethics of Probability: A Poker Metaphor for Faith and Ethics
    By simulatedworld in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-17-2008, 08:00 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO