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    Default Supreme Court rules in favor of video games.

    CNN- Supreme Court sees video games as art

    La Times -Supreme Court lifts limits on sale of violent video games to minors

    SF- Chronicle - Court strikes down California video games law

    Sacramento Bee - Supreme Court strikes down violent video game ban

    Quote Originally Posted by CNN
    "Like the protected books, plays, and movies that preceded them, video games communicate ideas -- and even social messages -- through many familiar literary devices (such as characters, dialogue, plot, and music) and through features distinctive to the medium (such as the player's interaction with the virtual world). That suffices to confer First Amendment protection."
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Times
    "Like books, plays and movies, video games communicate ideas," said Justice Antonin Scalia. "The most basic principle of 1st Amendment law is that government has no power to restrict expression because of its content."

    The ruling came on a 7-2 vote.

    Scalia spoke for five members of the court who ruled that under no circumstances could the government be allowed to protect children by limiting violence in the media.

    "There is no tradition in this country of specially restricting children's access to depictions of violence," Scalia said in the courtroom. "Certainly, the books we give children to read -- or read to them when they are younger -- have no shortage of gore. Grimm's Fairy Tales, for example, are grim indeed." Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined his opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by SF Chronicle
    The U.S. Supreme Court struck down California's ban on selling violent video games to minors today, ruling that young people's access to even the most brutal onscreen mayhem is protected by freedom of speech.

    By a 7-2 vote, the justices declared unconstitutional a law that has been blocked by court orders since it was passed in 2005.

    It would have prohibited the sale to anyone younger than 18 of a video game that was so violent that reasonable people would consider it "patently offensive" under prevailing community standards for minors. Prosecutors would also have been required to show that the game lacked serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.
    This is one of those topics I believe the parents should do their own damn work instead of relying on the government.

    Learn to take away your kids money if you are that desperate to not have your kid play a violent game! I mean, they're are under your control until they hit 18 anyhow.

    And yes, video games are art!

    Can I go and say goodbye to similar bills in 11 other states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sacramento Bee
    The video game ruling Monday, moreover, could constrain at least 11 other states, including Florida, Mississippi and Texas, that explicitly sided with California's efforts to restrict the video games minors can buy. The California state senator who authored the law, Democratic Sen. Leland Yee, acknowledged he was "rather disappointed" by the decision but suggested lawmakers might try yet again.
    EDIT: Cleaned some errors.

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    I just like that the opinion generated another great Scalia quote.
    "Reading Dante is unquestionably more cultured and intellectually edifying than playing Mortal Kombat." -Scalia
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    I just wish courts in Germany would follow a similar course of decisions, but we've had a long-standing tradition of being very strict when it comes to banning games (even the 'Cannon Fodder' series got banned during its time for being overly violent).
    Popular opinion over here seems to see a rather strong connection between video games and violence. I don't know if that's also the case in the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Learn to take away your kids money if you are that desperate to not have your kid play a violent game! I mean, they're are under your control until they hit 18 anyhow.
    Basically yes, but if their kids are just a bit computer savvy, there's loads of possibilities to get your *cough* 'unofficial unrestricted free evaluation copy' off the 'net without spending any money at all. People would need to monitor their kids' internet habits as well.

    And yes, video games are art!
    Aye, and it's about time more people realize this. Video games are one of the most recent forms of culture, but they certainly are part of it. Furthermore, a much greater extent of violence and/or explicitly sexual content is usually allowed in other media, where people have more or less become used to it, and I've always had the impression that there is sort of a double standard when it comes to video games. Maybe people who want to restrict such content in general saw a greater chance of doing so with games because rules can still be made whereas with other forms free speech as a general principle has already been established.

    I just wonder whether this extends to contents such as nudity etc. as well, not just to violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    And yes, video games are art!
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    ....seriously? Ok, so why aren't movies considered art then? I guess R ratings will soon be a thing of the past.

    Is this for real?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    ....seriously? Ok, so why aren't movies considered art then? I guess R ratings will soon be a thing of the past.
    Yes, I consider movies an art. In fact, I am quite sure many people also agree that it is art.

    I mean, games do already have a rating system in place just like the movie rating system.

    The government could potentially implement a new one, it was just that this law was too vague and broad.

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    I guess Roger Ebert will have to revise his position.
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010...er_be_art.html

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    I agree it's the parents' responsibility to decide what to let their kids watch or read or play. I think especially with the internet, there's no real point in banning anything now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catbert View Post
    I guess Roger Ebert will have to revise his position.
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010...er_be_art.html
    Yes, video games might be seemingly more business driven. But isn't graphic design and even movies business driven?

    The process of creating those video games is art, and as such, the video game is art. Fine art is often used as a sketch, artificial light is used, objects are manipulated, makeshift cities are created, a world that can be drastically different or very similar can be created. Sometimes, music is even added with the scenery to create an effect. That end result would be the video game.

    Sort of like what I said in the other thread, art is subjective. Some people see certain "artist" created items as total crap, but it doesn't stop the people from displaying it in a museum of sorts.

    Best view using full screen (so you can read the dialogue)
    [YOUTUBE="Qk-Ebjix7oA"]Howl from the Heavens[/YOUTUBE]

    [YOUTUBE="OB8JgbIQzTQ"]At Journey's End[/YOUTUBE]
    It has all the makings of art, and it is even placed inside a video game (Final Fantasy XI.) In fact, there are countless quests and missions that are like this one (and in other games.) This one video alone contained a variety of ideas and objects we consider art. While the graphics are 8+ years old, it shows a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Yes, I consider movies an art. In fact, I am quite sure many people also agree that it is art.
    Should kids be allowed to rent porn movies too, then? They could be considered art.
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