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    Hm. This is a nasty topic. I don't think a child should be restricted at all on buying a game with the help of parents.. but an R-rated game freely sold to a child? I'm not sold on that.

    I'm all for parents supervising their children.. and I'm all for not blaming video game violence on real violence. But.. I think allowing children to buy whatever game they want without adults would make it harder for parents to do their job in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Should kids be allowed to rent porn movies too, then? They could be considered art.
    Again, it is the way that the law was created that it was not imposed.

    Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito agreed with the majority that California's law, while "well intentioned, (was) not framed with the precision the Constitution demands." The two conservative justices, however, suggested that, as Alito put it, "differently framed statutes" that imposed narrower restrictions might survive court scrutiny.
    I don't know exactly what it was based on why porn was banned, so I can't comment on that. If there was anything to say about it, there was more underaged sex and violence back then than there are reported today, even with violent games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Hm. This is a nasty topic. I don't think a child should be restricted at all on buying a game with the help of parents.. but an R-rated game freely sold to a child? I'm not sold on that.

    I'm all for parents supervising their children.. and I'm all for not blaming video game violence on real violence. But.. I think allowing children to buy whatever game they want without adults would make it harder for parents to do their job in the first place.
    Games are rated just as movies would be (an M rating in games is similar to an R rating for movies[Keyword: similar].) Again, the parent has the money, not the kid. If even a slight amount of violence is not wanted for the child, then the parent should be restricting it from their child (even some Teen rated games contain some form of "perceived" violence.) Take certain movie theaters for example, some will not let kids under 18 watch R rated films... even with parental supervision. The parent has the choice in what the child eats at home, whether the child gets to watch t.v., whether the child can even go to a friends house, or even whether the child gets to receive allowance.

    If you don't want the kid to be playing games, don't buy a game console. If the child ask for Modern Warfare, say no. I've know people who had parents that won't buy game consoles or even computers good enough for games for them. That is because the parents have the money.

    There is a difference between the violence in Final Fantasy, Modern Warfare, Portal 2 (which I am not getting games anywhere near Portal 2,) and Starcraft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    ....seriously? Ok, so why aren't movies considered art then? I guess R ratings will soon be a thing of the past.
    MPAA ratings aren't backed by the force of law, unlike this video game law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Rave View Post
    Games are rated just as movies would be (an M rating in games is similar to an R rating for movies[Keyword: similar].) Again, the parent has the money, not the kid. If even a slight amount of violence is not wanted for the child, then the parent should be restricting it from their child (even some Teen rated games contain some form of "perceived" violence.) Take certain movie theaters for example, some will not let kids under 18 watch R rated films... even with parental supervision. The parent has the choice in what the child eats at home, whether the child gets to watch t.v., whether the child can even go to a friends house, or even whether the child gets to receive allowance.

    If you don't want the kid to be playing games, don't buy a game console. If the child ask for Modern Warfare, say no. I've know people who had parents that won't buy game consoles or even computers good enough for games for them. That is because the parents have the money.

    There is a difference between the violence in Final Fantasy, Modern Warfare, Portal 2 (which I am not getting games anywhere near Portal 2,) and Starcraft.
    Saying you shouldn't buy a kid a console because they could have access to a violent video game is a bit extreme. There are plenty of clean, perfectly safe games children can play without Bulletstorm violence or Heavy Rain sexploits.

    YES the money is USUALLY with the adult.. but how many kids did you know growing up that got money in other ways? I still say the parents would have an easier time of it if the kid needed the parent there to purchase the game. It's the same shit but with less outrage.

    It is much easier to say, "Look Parent. M-rated games are not sold to anyone under 17/18. So if your kid has it, it is on you. If it is rated Teen, we didn't sell it to a 5 year old. So how about watching your damn kids for a change." Than it is to say, "Look Parent. I know it's totally legal for your kid to buy this game behind your back, but you should just be a better parent you lazy fatass."

    Take as much blame out of the video game market as possible.. because they shouldn't be blamed for everything the way they are.
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    to me, art is any form of expression. There is plenty of art in video games, but the game itself might not be art. If we look at a painting and consider it art with our eyes, why can't we borrow the eyes of a virtual person and look at art within a virtual world? I bet that after a thousand years, they will look back to at least some of the games that have been made and see them in the same light that people see those great works of art from so long ago.
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    I cried at the ending of FFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    MPAA ratings aren't backed by the force of law, unlike this video game law.
    I'm confused. You aren't allowed to see R rated movies if you're under 18, either. Or maybe that's just around here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I'm confused. You aren't allowed to see R rated movies if you're under 18, either. Or maybe that's just around here?
    Perhaps. It's not law on any level in the USA, just a business rule to appease certain groups and keep the government out of their business.

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    oh, did not realize that. In that case, it makes sense for video games and movies to be under similar laws, or lack thereof.
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