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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Oh I forgot about Sting. He's not only a good looking guy from the 80s, I thought he was the archetype of perfect man for several years.
    But doesn't he always seem like he has the personality of an approximate doorknob??

    i.e., not even a full doorknob.

    Sting is approximately a doorknob.

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    I wish more people bit the hands that feed them, instead of whining that they're being fed poorly. You bite by boycotting, whether it be goods, services, or political decisions. You nullify it in your own actions. You, the consumer, the little guy, has the power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyDigestion View Post
    But doesn't he always seem like he has the personality of an approximate doorknob??

    i.e., not even a full doorknob. Just approximate.
    No, you have to understand that I love IxxJs.

    I am firmly of the opinion he's ISTJ, some say ISFJ or INFJ, and I think I saw a Keirsey board has him as INTJ.

    But I'm almost positively certain he's ISxJ. He's no Ni dom.

    Actually, he's a family man - he's faithful to his wife, they have tantric sex for hours, they live in a castle in the UK, he loves the environment and does humanitarian work.

    He's also so sophisticated, articulate, et al.

    Dude, I wanted to marry Sting when I was 22.

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    Smile Politics is over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    it's laughable to suggest that there have been no global or national politics because of the spread of the free market. I swear sometimes that you live in a complete fantasy world.
    You make faces at me an insult me, but you present no alternative politics to plural democracy and the free market.

    Perhaps you think Marxism is an alternative, but the Marxists killed 100 million of their own people over 70 years.

    Perhaps you think National Socialism is an alternative, but they killed 12 million of their own people over 7 years.

    Or perhaps you think authoritarian dictators are an alternative, but we can watch them killing their own people today in Libya, Syria, Sudan and sub-Saharan Africa.

    Or perhaps you think North Korea or Burma are alternatives, but these are living hells.

    Or perhaps you think Theocratic States like Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are alternatives, well, God help you.

    There is only one political alternative left standing and that is plural democracy and the free market. And it is in this sense that politics is over bar the shouting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    You make faces at me an insult me, but you present no alternative politics to plural democracy and the free market.

    Perhaps you think Marxism is an alternative, but the Marxists killed 100 million of their own people over 70 years.

    Perhaps you think National Socialism is an alternative, but they killed 12 million of their own people over 7 years.

    Or perhaps you think authoritarian dictators are an alternative, but we can watch them killing their own people today in Libya, Syria, Sudan and sub-Saharan Africa.

    Or perhaps you think North Korea or Burma are alternatives, but these are living hells.

    Or perhaps you think Theocratic States like Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are alternatives, well, God help you.

    There is only one political alternative left standing and that is plural democracy and the free market. And it is in this sense that politics is over bar the shouting.
    Victor, I get annoyed with your preposterous extremes, your bizarre accusations, and the fact that you don't even seem capable of collecting facts. Who said that Marxism, authoritarianism, or dictatorships were an alternative? This is just like you claiming I hated my sense of smell because I don't want your dog to sniff me, or telling me I wanted to destroy the forum like Sylvia Plath destroyed Ted Hughes.

    YOU. LIVE. IN. A. FANTASY. WORLD. if you are serious about the things you say. Completely internal. This is not an insult, it's absolute frustration with your strange extremist presumptiousness.

    Politics are not dead, you can even see a difference between the glorious Social Democracies in Western Europe versus the over-corporatized form of capitalism in the States.

    The world isn't black and white. Snap out of it.

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    But, but, I wuv Victor. Be sweet.

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    Victor really isn't all that nice, but you're free to love him all you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    But, but, I wuv Victor. Be sweet.
    And I wuv you too.

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    Politics is anything but a lost cause. A kid learning about the world is so important. Every great leader in the history of the world started there, and so did all the people who made that person great.

    Here's why people get frustrated: politics are also slow (well, not from a larger historical perspective, but from an individual one). It takes decades to allow, for example, gay marriage, but by almost all accounts it is going to happen.

    Compare today to 100 years ago. Could you imagine any major nation embracing fascism? How about the sheer number of regulations in place to prevent a 2009 recession from spiraling into a 1929 depression? Look at the world 200 years ago. Slavery? That wouldn't be tolerated in even most of the world's least evolved nations today. And a couple hundred years before that was pretty much a non-stop shit show for everyone even compared to the third world. Hell, something like the UN, a collective diplomatic world council, was unthinkable and radical 100 years ago (Wilson's League of Nations idea was contentious or even ridiculous at the time, and that about 90 years back)

    Some of that is technology, but it's also all about informed people creating better leadership or forcing the extinction of bad leadership (in fact, a good government/political state feeds into good use/development of technology and knowledge, and vice versa). A huge part of that is politics and the evolution thereof.

    You might as well ask why infancy and adolescence, or any prior world experience, is needed to be a productive adult. Even the missteps create things we learn from.
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