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    Default Republicans seeking to imitate Pakistan?

    I liked this.
    Our Fantasy Nation?

    With Tea Party conservatives and many Republicans balking at raising the debt ceiling, let me offer them an example of a nation that lives up to their ideals.

    It has among the lowest tax burdens of any major country: fewer than 2 percent of the people pay any taxes. Government is limited, so that burdensome regulations never kill jobs.

    This society embraces traditional religious values and a conservative sensibility. Nobody minds school prayer, same-sex marriage isn’t imaginable, and criminals are never coddled.

    The budget priority is a strong military, the nation’s most respected institution. When generals decide on a policy for, say, Afghanistan, politicians defer to them. Citizens are deeply patriotic, and nobody burns flags.

    So what is this Republican Eden, this Utopia? Why, it’s Pakistan.
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    Polititroll uses slippery slope. It is ineffective.

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    No slippery slope, because I'm not adding the slippery part. The Republican party at this point, particularly the tea party faction, have pretty much said the sky is the limit on their principles/policies. There's no clear point on when taxes, regulation, or spending will be low enough, but they seem to make it sound like they can always be lower. They're the ones saying we are going to slide all the way to the other side, and it's on purpose.

    That being said, the author raises the valid point that those traits, along with a strong military and crude moral regulation, are mainstays of 3rd world kleptocracies, while they seem to be least present the 1st world democracies. He notes a legitimate correlation.

    Now consider that the USA is already behind the rest of the 1st world and numerous 2nd world nations on those measures. If we're in last place in the bracket now, what is the implication of going sharply farther in that direction as the current Republican platform says we should?
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    The correlation you assume between the two is what's slippery.

    Just because you skip all the mental gymnastics it would take to get from one to the other makes the argument no less heinous.

    I fail to see why you feel the need to keep harping on this shit.

    It's getting old.

    Your title says republicans not right wing nut jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The correlation you assume between the two is what's slippery.
    To what extent do I assume it? Statistically the correlation is present, though I grant you that for such purposes the pool of nations is technically too small to be scientifically sufficient, and that the subject matter is so complicated that it can be difficult to weed out other factors. These things happen to be virtually inescapable in analyzing policy, however.

    That being said, the apparent correlation is not confounding, because I can easily explain why there would be a correlation. There's a rational explanation. The correlation matches what I would have estimated anyhow.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I fail to see why you feel the need to keep harping on this shit.

    It's getting old.
    So do you fail to see the need of every forum member that frequently discusses politics?
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    If you can't see what's wrong here there's really nothing I can do for you.

    I could waste my energy going round and round in circles with you but I won't.

    Republicans don't want a deplorably oppressive theocracy no matter how much you may think otherwise.

    You've created a false equivalency here, and I'm tired of listening to you from the bully pulpit of your ivory tower.

    Enjoy your thread.

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    I can't say that they're quite there yet, but they have a fun way of finding the ideas the Republicans of 15 years ago had (such as Cap and Trade as a solution conceived by conservative minds, the possible conservative reply to Hillary's 90s healthcare answers, which looks a bit like Romney's Mass plan, tax breaks for the rich under Reagan, Bush Sr or even the beginning of Jr's term disgustingly, socialistically high or the fight against the McCain-Feingold standard for campaign finances) too liberal, they either need to stop drifting right or they inevitably become that. Especially bad is the fact that the Democrats are driven further right with them, leaving people with the option between 1990s Republican or 2010 Republican on everything but social issues (generally the least consequential).

    Of course, I imagine a lot of that animosity will dissipate if a Republican gets back in office. After all, I didn't know a single one who cared about having a record deficit, even large-scale, unsuccessful military action (as opposed to killing bin Laden, a success, or Libya which has zero ground troops or American casualties) or massively increasing the size of government until Obama took over (even though he actually hasn't done that latter thing, unlike Bush). Also the first time in history I think people genuinely doubted a President so much they doubted he was even born right. So I guess the trade off is either a Republican president does very right wing, awful things that cripple the country or the right wing becomes more right just because they hate the Democrat in office.

    But yeah, it seems like since maybe Nixon (with Reagan really amping this forward) they've been moving more and more right both in policy and in protest. If that doesn't stop, then yesterdays far-right nutjob is tomorrow's average Republican.

    But in my opinion, people's personal logical limits, the fact that most Republicans are older, the rise of free information and the fact that minorities are increasingly powerful in the US just means the whole party is looking down the barrel of a gun in the not so distant future. In a couple decades, that party doesn't have much steam left unless something big happens.
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    Everyone knows that the extreme conservatives want to turn the U.S. into a third world country.

    Except for the extreme conservatives, apparently.

    That's what makes them so dangerous. They're insane.

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    And yes, 2nd world is still better than 3rd world.

    *in before random libertarian asshat calls me a communist*

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You've created a false equivalency here, and I'm tired of listening to you from the bully pulpit of your ivory tower.

    Enjoy your thread.
    Obvious agitation thread is obvious.

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