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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Chromosomal deficiencies have made themselves apparent.

    Later Gators.
    You say that in spite of that fact that we have so far done much more to make an actual argument than you have, and have also refrained from mocking your or insulting you.

    Further more, how many times are you going to say you're done before you're actually done?
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    I will say this: I genuinely hope they're right and we're wrong about the amount of fringe influence in the Republicans today, and about the Democratic party also moving left. Looking at policies of yesteryear and now, I don't see any other option, but I do hope that's wrong. I'm not voting Republican either way unless something major happens, but I do hope Republicans aren't as bad as they seem right now. If they get into office, they'll simmer down, but Bush Jr. was more right than Reagan in my eyes, and I hope this isn't a continuing trend.

    As a follow up: any right-leaning people: If someone like Palin, Bachmann or Gingrich got the nomination, with their extremist views flying pretty wild recently, would you vote for them?



    ALSO: It hasn't been my intention to offend anyone in any way so much as it has argue and provide support for my beliefs in the name of hopefully genial debate. I hope it's come across that way, for the most part, even if I got a little impassioned here or there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Chromosomal deficiencies have made themselves apparent.

    Later Gators.
    LOL. Take your ball and go home, you bullying sore loser. When you can come up with an argument less vague and more enlightening than crying troll or using blanket terms like "ridiculous", come back. Or don't.

    Oh, and just for the record...

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    None of the people you mentioned play a formative role in developing party policy.
    What committees are Bachman and palin on right now?
    1. You're nuts. You're even more nuts considering your occupation. Sarah Palin was on a presidential ticket. Influence or no, that's a big deal.

    2. Allow me to quote from Michele Bachmann's own website:

    Congresswoman Bachmann sits on the Financial Services Committee (FSC) and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The FSC is tasked with oversight of numerous financial sectors including housing, real estate and banking. This gave the Congresswoman keen insight into the housing crisis and credit crunch, leading her to be a staunch opponent of the taxpayer-funded bailout of Wall Street and the Dodd-Frank legislation. Serving on the Intelligence Committee was a welcomed opportunity for Congresswoman Bachmann as she has consistently advocated peace through strength to ensure America’s national security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    As a follow up: any right-leaning people: If someone like Palin, Bachmann or Gingrich got the nomination, with their extremist views flying pretty wild recently, would you vote for them?
    Reluctantly, yes, though I don't think they could win: when you get right down to it, I'm voting for the Supreme Court whenever a Presidential or Senatorial office is in play, and in my opinion only the Republicans are likely to nominate Justices that I find tolerable (i.e. will attempt to at least justify their decision as reflecting some reasonably objective standard, rather than what amounts to what they want the Constitution to say in support of some transient and short-sighted agenda or goal). As for other matters, the Republicans are now rhetoricly committed to cutting spending and doing something about the unsustainable nature of entitlements and debt, and I certainly don't think massive 'stimulus spending' is a cost-effective means of producing jobs.

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    Sarah Palin was on a presidential ticket.
    Hence one of the many reasons McCain lost and I didn't vote for him.

    Your hyperbolic arguments reveal all I need to see of the thoughts behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Hence one of the many reasons McCain lost and I didn't vote for him.
    McCain's campaign was clearly dead before he selected Palin. Palin actually sparked some short-term life into his run before it puttered out again. She's probably the single most important reason his campaign even seemed competitive for as long as it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    McCain's campaign was clearly dead before he selected Palin. Palin actually sparked some short-term life into his run before it puttered out again. She's probably the single most important reason his campaign even seemed competitive for as long as it did.
    There is, however, an old rule of thumb/political principle that having a VP who will upstage you/is more charismatic than you is a major no. But with McCain that's probably a really tough rule to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    This should mean you consider George Bush and the people who supported his policies radical since he took us from a huge surplus into the major debt to begin with. Do you consider those people radicals?

    To make what I believe is the largest spending cut in history, while making a big cut in taxes for the wealthy when it is already historically and globally low, is a remarkable combination. To do that amidst both a recession and a massive debt problem (the tax cuts don't add up with wanting to cut the debt), is ludicrous.
    Bush was hardly my ideal President, but his budget deficits never even approached the current deficits, his spending was directed toward transitory (war) committments (the cost of which does not increase exponentially over decades, the point being), and his tax cuts at least correlated to economic improvements (the real estate and financial bubbles are a separate issue). I wouldn't characterize him as 'moderate', but I don't consider his economic agenda to be as radical as that of Pelosi, Obama, or Ryan.

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    The only thing she managed to do was bolster support within the base.

    She was the last nail in the coffin of independent support for McCain.

    Independents decide elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Bush was hardly my ideal President, but his budget deficits never even approached the current deficits, his spending was directed toward transitory (war) committments (the cost of which does not increase exponentially over decades, the point being), and his tax cuts at least correlated to economic improvements (the real estate and financial bubbles are a separate issue). I wouldn't characterize him as 'moderate', but I don't consider his economic agenda to be as radical as that of Pelosi, Obama, or Ryan.
    Of course his deficits didn't approach the current ones. The current ones were built on top of the existence of the ones he created. By percentage this isn't the largest debt we've had anyhow, we had larger during and shortly after WWII. This is a situation where the administration was compelled to spend heavily, unfortunately at a time when there was already a huge debt established in a way that was not forced at all.

    Secondly, if I understand correctly, most of the debt Obama has created had to do with the bail-out/stimulus, which is even more temporary than funding a war (one of which has gone on longer than Vietnam and the of which is approaching).

    And I don't think Bush's tax cuts accomplished anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The only thing she managed to do was bolster support within the base.
    And since we are talking about the nature of the Republican party, is that not the only things that matters for my argument?
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