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    We also changed the ventrillo chatroom names to agitate you. Personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    We also changed the ventrillo chatroom names to agitate you. Personally.
    Some of us have the ability to distinguish one topic from the other. You did however make the above post to agitate me personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Obvious agitation thread is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    To what extent do I assume it? Statistically the correlation is present,
    Your synopsis is lacking in relevant logic hence the usual 'big state' fundamentalist stasi godbothering. Correlation =/= Causation.

    See Kill or cure the list of all the things which the Daily Mail has asked scientists to correlate which things 'cause or cure' cancer.

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    I dont think its a case of trolling to mention this, its at least as useful an argument as all the tea party arguments that anyone disagreeing with their vision isnt a true american and should gtfo to Cuba or China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Your title says republicans not right wing nut jobs.
    You know, the difference is not nearly what it used to be, especially in a time where Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are seen as legitimate mainstream Republican candidates. I used to be a Republican. I was even a member of my college's Young Republicans club. But today's GOP bears little resemblance to the party I was a member of as recently as the early 1990s. Classic Goldwater Republicans would be and are aghast at the direction tea partiers and evangelicals have taken the GOP. ZPowers sums it up nicely:

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I can't say that they're quite there yet, but they have a fun way of finding the ideas the Republicans of 15 years ago had (such as Cap and Trade as a solution conceived by conservative minds, the possible conservative reply to Hillary's 90s healthcare answers, which looks a bit like Romney's Mass plan, tax breaks for the rich under Reagan, Bush Sr or even the beginning of Jr's term disgustingly, socialistically high or the fight against the McCain-Feingold standard for campaign finances) too liberal, they either need to stop drifting right or they inevitably become that. Especially bad is the fact that the Democrats are driven further right with them, leaving people with the option between 1990s Republican or 2010 Republican on everything but social issues (generally the least consequential).
    So while I think the writer of that article was perhaps projecting a bit, the comparison isn't nearly as fanciful as you think. Republicans may not actively want a deplorably oppressive theocracy, but they're at the very least indifferent to the possibility as long as the small coterie they consider "the people" is allowed to behave as they wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    If you can't see what's wrong here there's really nothing I can do for you.

    I could waste my energy going round and round in circles with you but I won't.
    Good, you do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Republicans don't want a deplorably oppressive theocracy no matter how much you may think otherwise.
    I don't think otherwise. Of course they don't want to make the USA into 3rd world kleptocracy. The problem is that they want policies which they don't understand will push the USA toward being a 3rd world kleptocracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You've created a false equivalency here, and I'm tired of listening to you from the bully pulpit of your ivory tower.
    Nice term combo.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Enjoy your thread.
    Thank you. I shall.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Obvious agitation thread is obvious.
    Will it agitate? Sure. Is that a bad thing per se? Now I would not call it a troll thread because I have a serious point here and I intend to debate it with some standards.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Your synopsis is lacking in relevant logic hence the usual 'big state' fundamentalist stasi godbothering. Correlation =/= Causation.

    See Kill or cure the list of all the things which the Daily Mail has asked scientists to correlate which things 'cause or cure' cancer.
    So, how about that part where I said there is a rational explanation, and that I do not need to blindly trust a correlation? Want to take me up on that?

    You should know that I understand those very basic logical guidelines, so why do you feel the need to explain them to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    You know, the difference is not nearly what it used to be, especially in a time where Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are seen as legitimate mainstream Republican candidates. I used to be a Republican. I was even a member of my college's Young Republicans club. But today's GOP bears little resemblance to the party I was a member of as recently as the early 1990s. Classic Goldwater Republicans would be and are aghast at the direction tea partiers and evangelicals have taken the GOP. ZPowers sums it up nicely:

    So while I think the writer of that article was perhaps projecting a bit, the comparison isn't nearly as fanciful as you think. Republicans may not actively want a deplorably oppressive theocracy, but they're at the very least indifferent to the possibility as long as the small coterie they consider "the people" is allowed to behave as they wish.
    Thank you.

    I have never supported a Republican candidate, to my recollection. I still know the difference between a sane, rational human being who happens to be a part of the Republican party and a zealot who's hijacking it. The longterm trend is that the former has been continually replaced by the latter. One of my best friends is a very similar case. He's over 10 years older than me and he was a Republican all his life, but he changed his affiliation here in PA to vote for Obama in the last election. He despises the contemporary Republican party.

    In the mid 90s, not long before Goldwater died, he remarked to Bob Dole in astonishment that the two of them had become the liberal wing of the Republican party. And here we are in 2011, knowing that the Republicans back then were much less extreme than they are now. Wow.
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    This is only tangentially related, but you have to love this. As least in the Palin loving sect of the right (mostly tea partiers, I'd imagine), historical fact is negotiable based on Palin's ignorant ass ramblings:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...?ref=fb&src=sp

    Listen, we already lost Trump, please let this stupid woman bring the extra comedy to primary season.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Classic Goldwater Republicans would be and are aghast at the direction tea partiers and evangelicals have taken the GOP.
    The same could be said for the old Democratic Leadership Council Democrats and the modern Democratic party under Pelosi and the dominant progressive wing of the party. And let's not forget the Truther element, which was worse than any Birther nonsense. Neither party has a particular edge regarding the primacy of its 'nut-job extremist' contigent.

    Also, what would Goldwater Republicans find so objectionable about the tea parties, except insofar as they correlate with Evangelicals and conspiracy theorists? They have by and large emphasized federalism, respect for the Constitution and Founding principles, and economic issues. Do you think Goldwater would have hated Paul Ryan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    The same could be said for the old Democratic Leadership Council Democrats and the modern Democratic party under Pelosi and the dominant progressive wing of the party.
    No, I do not see an equivalence. Nancy Pelosi is no Michelle Bachmann. For that matter, I'm trying to recall if anything Pelosi wanted was as radical as Paul Ryan's budget, and I know the most radical things Pelosi wanted fixed hobbling resistance within the Democratic party, while Ryan's budget plan received near-unanimous support.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And let's not forget the Truther element, which was worse than any Birther nonsense. Neither party has a particular edge regarding the primacy of its 'nut-job extremist' contigent.
    The key difference is that the Democratic conspiracy theorists are still in the political fringe, while the Republican conspiracy theorists have moved into the mainstream and both hold or were serious contenders for political office. Sharron Angle was extremely close to being a senator, and she is quite literally insane.
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