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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    And a crazy violent dangerous person is a crazy violent dangerous person, civilian or not.
    What is it that makes you think this person was crazy, dangerous, or violent? Rousted out of bed with the news that his home was being invaded, he grabbed a weapon... a reasonable course of action most of the time.

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    ^ Well, not for every culture it isn't.. but in the United States, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    What is it that makes you think this person was crazy, dangerous, or violent? Rousted out of bed with the news that his home was being invaded, he grabbed a weapon... a reasonable course of action most of the time.
    Jeez.. the spin machine is out today. We don't know.. that's my point. Not enough info. I can't denounce anybody on the facts provided.

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    ^ I don't assume this dude was completely innocent.. I don't expect the SWAT team to be at my house anytime soon.. But even so.. 70+ times isn't even near within legal rights as far as I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlippoth View Post
    Jeez.. the spin machine is out today.
    Yes... thanks for bringing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    the Gestapo went home to their families at night too.
    You think there were good gestapo? Werent they the political police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    ^ I don't assume this dude was completely innocent.. I don't expect the SWAT team to be at my house anytime soon.. But even so.. 70+ times isn't even near within legal rights as far as I know.
    Suspicion of drug possession should not be a death sentence, even in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You think there were good gestapo? Werent they the political police?
    How you might think I could possibly have meant this... it mystifies me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    How you might think I could possibly have meant this... it mystifies me.
    OK so you dont think there were good gestapo? I was wondering, just because you're a family person does not necessarily make you a good person, even if you are a good person if you're in a reprehensible office you can still do a lot of harm

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    ^ I don't assume this dude was completely innocent.. I don't expect the SWAT team to be at my house anytime soon.. But even so.. 70+ times isn't even near within legal rights as far as I know.
    Yeah.. 70 shots is excessive. But we'er mostly just dileniating the difference between dead and hamburger, not dead and alive. I'm envisioning a scenario where the law enforcement is turning the corner and sees a guy with a semi-automatic rifle trained on him. How is he going to react? Is he going to tell himself just to shoot once and that's enough? How many were shooting? If this wasn't a setup, which there's no reason to assume it was, yet.. things get very messy in that sort of situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Yes... thanks for bringing it.
    The OP had lots of loaded words... ex-marine, mecca of prejudice.. etc. If you want to get down to the facts you need to try to see through that stuff. I'm not spinning anything. I'm just trying to distill the story to the relevant info, and there's not nearly enough of it.

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