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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I really don't know why anymore. Can someone defend this and give me an idea?
    Someone have to shoulder the responsibility of keeping the barbaric hordes at bay.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
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    But it is true. We have to beware of terrorist nuclear missiles.
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    I dont buy a lot of the liberal opposition to US, and now UK and French and European, foreign policy out there, it isnt pan-Israeli anymore or even pan-western particularly but its important for historical reasons, to the people there mainly, but also to the old enough imperial elements in these countries that there is a prescence.

    The end of the Cold War saw a number of developments, I honestly believe that the Russians, despite the internal conflict between gangsters and former KGB elements, were ready to try and foment islamic terrorism in order to try and seize the momentum with their own "war on terror" as the next "big idea" after socialism and they have remained active in carrying out prototypically menacing acts to try and intimidate Europe, either controlling fuel or invading Georgia, and I dont think all the "for domestic consumption" sabre rattling can be passed over as simply that.

    The Chinese have major potential as a future world power and their actions during the financial crisis, suggesting that they would entice foreign money and bankers with favourable conditions and tax free havens if the west dared to levy punitive regulations or taxes after the bust demonstrates they are willing to risk the ruin of major rival power blocks for their own advantage.

    It is a horrifying idea that the third world is used as a battle ground for testing troops or show casing high tech might in proxy battles aimed at intimidating other powers but it happens, its not just about arms dealers skimming Lord of War style or military industrial complexes, there are geo-political stakes always. Unpleasant as it all is these things, I honestly believe, are the real deterence to emerging super powers not to let rip or engage in simply bankrolling and training the next Al Quida or its ilk as useful idiots in their greater game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esidebill View Post
    But it is true. We have to beware of terrorist nuclear missiles.
    You know that since the war there's been fifty nukes lost right? That's not even the primitive nations acquiring them through weapons programmes like India and Pakistan, that's weapons lost, the US lost a nuke when the nuke and plane simply rolled of a destroyer!! There's one in greenland someplace. Check out Cracked.com for more details. Its mad.

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    There may be other interests (oil etc) involved but as I understand it, the idea is to establish sufficient stability so that they don't simply descend into complete violent chaos or fall into the hands of terrorists, when the coalition forces pull out. If they pull out too early the Taliban could end up back in power within a brief period of time and it was all for nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    There may be other interests (oil etc) involved but as I understand it, the idea is to establish sufficient stability so that they don't simply descend into complete violent chaos or fall into the hands of terrorists, when the coalition forces pull out. If they pull out too early the Taliban could end up back in power within a brief period of time and it was all for nothing
    Taliban could be in power anyway, a lot of the more realpolitik analysis is suggesting so, when the USSR abandoned Afghanistan after their war the country was in chaos and run by a bunch of lawless, murderous war lords trading in opium and people trafficking, people empowered the Taliban because they provided some sembalance of order and even the US provided them with money in exchange for mass disposal of opium crops. They made the incredibly poor decision to repeatedly endorse and support Bin Laden both before and after 9/11 coming as close to the neo-con's description of a failed/rogue state as possible making them a target. The best analysts and operatives the US has has said that tribal allegiances and constant fighting makes their return or the return of some of their leaders a realistic prospect.

    To be honest I think that some of the developments in the middle east could have postponed the real possibility of Israel committing genocide within its borders, as it is I dont think the Palestinians are likely to ever be capable of constituting a successful state, definitely not with the strangle holds that are on them as a populace and definitely not while Israel holds out hope of simply expelling them and filling the evacuated areas with jewish settlements. I just wait for the Israelis to do something lunatic within their borders, the neighbouring, hopelessly out matched states to respond and be roundly defeated once again, then some country like Turkey to get involved and it will be a serious shit storm on the borders of Europe, who's to say it wont spill over there.

    Its clear that for many in Israel they're still fighting the second world war or it didnt end for them, as a result I think that some kind of involvement in the middle east is going to be necessary for European and western powers for the foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It is a horrifying idea that the third world is used as a battle ground for testing troops or show casing high tech might in proxy battles aimed at intimidating other powers but it happens, its not just about arms dealers skimming Lord of War style or military industrial complexes, there are geo-political stakes always. Unpleasant as it all is these things, I honestly believe, are the real deterence to emerging super powers not to let rip or engage in simply bankrolling and training the next Al Quida or its ilk as useful idiots in their greater game.
    Like this.
    [YOUTUBE="NyMSBmEJ3LE"]Don't hold back[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Like this.
    [YOUTUBE="NyMSBmEJ3LE"]Don't hold back[/YOUTUBE]
    Quite. Lot of people dying in that clip. Dont know if I really wanted to see that.

    It makes the point though.

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