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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Do you realise that's a common tendency no?
    Yes but never this extreme a movement from far, far left to fall off the flat earth right.

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    Gay marriage is ever legal. Nobody prevent gays to build their own church, wear a wedding dress, and have their own pretor to validate their union, and to call that a mariage. They could do that, but they don't. While straight marraige appeared spontaneously, wich means that it is natural, while gay marriage is not natural. Having said that, gays are already free, it's simply that civil gay marriage hav'nt be invented. Actually, LGBT movements don't want simply to be free, they are already free, they want to impose they mores. Fundamentally, the request for gay marriage is a pure whim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Gay marriage is ever legal. Nobody prevent gays to build their own church, wear a wedding dress, and have their own pretor to validate their union, and to call that a mariage. They could do that, but they don't. While straight marraige appeared spontaneously, wich means that it is natural, while gay marriage is not natural. Having said that, gays are already free, it's simply that civil gay marriage hav'nt be invented. Actually, LGBT movements don't want simply to be free, they are already free, they want to impose they mores. Fundamentally, the request for gay marriage is a pure whim.
    Even if that happens, the government won't recognize them as legal married couples. I know lesbians that call eachother wives, and have had a wedding ceremony. What they want is to have the same legal rights as any other couple. For a large, LARGE variety of situations. If one of them was hospitalized/on life support.... Her wife would not have any power over medical decisions made - as one such example.

    According to a report given to the Office of the General Counsel of the U.S. General Accounting Office, here are a few of the 1,138 benefits the United States government provides to legally married couples:
    http://gaylife.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi...97/og97016.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Yes but never this extreme a movement from far, far left to fall off the flat earth right.
    The French Revolution followed by the rise of Napoleon followed by the restoration of the Bourbons represents a far greater shift from "left" to "right" in the span of a generation or so than anything we've seen in baby boomers.

    As for the hope of the last "conservative" generation:
    X-Cons: The Conservative Mind of Generation X

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    Well whatever next. I'm sure there must be someone whose rights are being ignored still, perhaps the world will even come around to caring about what heterosexuals again, anything's possible I suppose.

    I guess I'll be the last man who realises that if society marries the zietgheist it will become a widower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I guess I'll be the last man who realises that if society marries the zietgheist it will become a widower.
    I'm younger than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Yes but never this extreme a movement from far, far left to fall off the flat earth right.
    By and large, these 'far far leftists' were not in favor of gay marriage while young, so why should they be expected to be in favor of gay marriage in their old age, after decades of socialization to the contrary? Its not as if most younger people have a different opinion due to a superior capacity for empathy, independent thought or critical reasoning....most have simply had their incipient world-view heavily influenced by 'popular culture', just like the youngsters of other generations in the mass-media era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I'm younger than you.
    Are you?

    I feel old a lot of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    By and large, these 'far far leftists' were not in favor of gay marriage while young
    It's all too forgotten how socially conservative the Left was at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    By and large, these 'far far leftists' were not in favor of gay marriage while young, so why should they be expected to be in favor of gay marriage in their old age, after decades of socialization to the contrary? Its not as if most younger people have a different opinion due to a superior capacity for empathy, independent thought or critical reasoning....most have simply had their incipient world-view heavily influenced by 'popular culture', just like the youngsters of other generations in the mass-media era.
    I dont really believe that opinions in approving or disapproving of homosexuality or even neutrality on the topic are a result of socialisation, I think the best minds are capable of overcoming any amount of miseducation or conditioning.

    Its part of the reason I dont believe that the current hopes and dreams of gay campaigners will succeed, they've succeeded in so far as they have already more as a result of apathy, when so called gay "marriage" doesnt satisfy, as it wont, they'll be driven to bolder demands which will no doubt end that apathy.

    Either that or a much more sexually and identity confused and conflicted generation than ever there has been. Not exactly a bed of roses, brave new world and betterment for all.

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