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    Default Is gender "just a social construct"?

    This was probably the stupid thing I've ever heard. Gender isn't just a "social construct". In the entire animal kingdom, and with mammals in particular, women stay at home and raise children while men go out and hunt. This is the dynamic that is the most natural, not just for animals, but for humans as well.

    I'm not saying women can't have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers and childrearers.

    Women and men produce different hormones; for women, the hormones increase compassion, and for men, they increase aggression. This is fitting given their natural roles.

    I don't see how anyone can deny this. Thoughts?
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    Um, so you know that in the feline strata of the animal kingdom (everything from housepets to lionesses) the females do a lot of the hunting? Female cats are superior huntresses to their male counterparts. Also, black widows are hunter/foragers because they kill their mates, as do praying mantises.

    Traditionally speaking, men hunt wild animals and women do "gathering" of things like fruits, vegetables, and medicinal herbs, so women still did work.

    What is all of this talk of "duty"? Are you an ISTJ? Some women don't want children, so those women have no "duty" to be child rearers.

    I think women should be housewives if they want, and have careers if they want. The current state of modern life doesn't require aggressive battles against large wild animals for food (I mean, women were always able to tackle small animals for food, btw) and in fact...farming and agriculture has been around for hella centuries, where the fuck have you been? Hunting and gathering is going waaaaaay back in time, bro.

    I do agree that someone has to take care of the children, I'm strongly opposed to what I call "daycare culture." I never went to daycare, and I think it was good for me. On the other hand, some people literally have no choice - I mean seriously some mothers have no choice but to work in our current set-up. I think Western Europe is better in this regard, and so is New Zealand.

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    Get back in the kitchen, whore. Women are like small children, we have to handicap our society so they feel better about themselves, introducing laws to cut down things that had naturally come to be.
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    What are you doing on a discussion thread, Ms. Dearest? You have compassion instincts. Go back to the kitchen and make us sammiches.

    (j/k, you're awesome )

    Also, Perch, I want to see why they can't reject those "natural roles". Are you saying they woudn't be as good at "aggressive" stuff as men?

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    The thing is, I don't think most women want to do "aggressive stuff." You have a smaller percentage of women who want to be soldiers and athletes, and more power to them. I don't want to do "aggressive stuff." I would be perfectly happy to stay home with my child if I had one, but the thing is, I actually enjoy cooking as a hobby and I would still work on writing, so I wouldn't be without another occupation. It just so happens the work I like to do, I could do from home -that's the awesome thing about being a writer.

    But if I don't have children, I don't see any reason why I have any sort of "duty" and can't just be whomever I want to be. A lot of women choose not to procreate, so they can occupy themselves with other work.

    There is plenty of work to be done that doesn't require "aggression."

    The enlightenment and democracy are about the individual. We're intellectually beyond these stupid "duties." If men want to care for their children, then they should be encouraged to do so. If women want to remain childfree, then there's not a problem with that - especially considering how the world is overpopulated.

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    The link between aggression and testosterone is tenuous at best. Please do some research before you post...

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    As far as I know gender is but sex isnt, that's what I read about feminism in a couple of good books.

    If you're asking about the division of people into male and female then no, no its not a social construct, although I'm sure there's plenty of people who'll have complex intellectual reasons why that isnt the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I do agree that someone has to take care of the children, I'm strongly opposed to what I call "daycare culture." I never went to daycare, and I think it was good for me. On the other hand, some people literally have no choice - I mean seriously some mothers have no choice but to work in our current set-up. I think Western Europe is better in this regard, and so is New Zealand.
    Not really, better than the states sure, but that's not saying much. The current government is trying to push solo mothers into work at the same time as they cut funding to early childhood care. All in the name of costcutting out of a recession. So in some sense the most innocent, powerless and vulnerable members of our society end up bearing the burden of the financial greed and irresponsibility of adults.

    Personally I would like to be a stay at home dad but it financially wouldn't cut it, prices for everything are based on two incomes being the standard. Not to mention stay at home dads are looked down on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    This was probably the stupid thing I've ever heard. Gender isn't just a "social construct". In the entire animal kingdom, and with mammals in particular, women stay at home and raise children while men go out and hunt. This is the dynamic that is the most natural, not just for animals, but for humans as well.

    I'm not saying women can't have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers and childrearers.

    Women and men produce different hormones; for women, the hormones increase compassion, and for men, they increase aggression. This is fitting given their natural roles.

    I don't see how anyone can deny this. Thoughts?
    That's a pretty sweet number, just saying. You dont seem to think so but anyway.

    Personally I liked a lot of the socialist feminism from the beginning of the Russian revolution which suggested that those opportunities be balanced out fairly, the scandinavian countries have got the awesomest paternity leave ever too, its almost on a par with maternity leave. Plus kids dont have to go to school or even nursery until older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    This was probably the stupid thing I've ever heard. Gender isn't just a "social construct". In the entire animal kingdom, and with mammals in particular, women stay at home and raise children while men go out and hunt. This is the dynamic that is the most natural, not just for animals, but for humans as well.

    I'm not saying women can't have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers and childrearers.

    Women and men produce different hormones; for women, the hormones increase compassion, and for men, they increase aggression. This is fitting given their natural roles.

    I don't see how anyone can deny this. Thoughts?
    First we shouldn't procreate since our genes aren't perfect, now it is my duty to do so? How about we make up our mind here little one.

    The entire point of enlightenment, logic, and reasonable thought.. the whole point of higher IQs.. is to stray AWAY from what is natural. The very thing you hold so dearly in all of your posts is that logical thought trumps everything. If we went based on this logic, every man who is a scientist is doing the WRONG thing. Men aren't made for sitting down and thinking.. they're made for aggression, hunting, and protecting!

    But that's wrong. Our intelligence tells us that men are not only extremely smart, they're more than capable of doing less 'manly' tasks, like reading, writing, and researching. They're capable of being fantastic healers and doctors. Many men are much more suited for the 'non-aggressive' lifestyle. Our intelligence moves us AWAY from nature.. we plant crops instead of foraging. We raise cattle instead of hunting. Everything we've ever done has moved us further away from nature..

    And don't get me wrong, there are still some basics where nature is there. We cannot completely run away from it. But we all express it differently now. Men get aggressive with sports instead of protecting tribes. Women who don't have children seem to care about those that are in their lives. There are some things that keep us bound to nature. But we've decided to move away from it as a whole.. Intelligence moved us that way. Thinking BEYOND instinct. Saying that hormones are not the only factors in our decision making processes. Why would you ever settle for just what nature has when you clearly LOVE everything that steered us away from nature? (I.E. Any creature comfort you've ever had ever.)
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