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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    How naive.
    How vapid. Now that the niceties are over, did you have something constructive to add?
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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    Bill Gates is not a particularly powerful, domineering man. He's a nerdy dude that has, like, say, a bazillion dollars of worth just being reserved.
    Again, Bill Gates don't represent the norm, and despite thoses few traits you quoted, he totally come as masculine.

    Submissive, insecure PEOPLE are not going to be as successful. But it is not limited to men. Women have to be MORE aggressive many times just to try earning the same wages and pay. If anything, I argue that women need to be more aggressive than men to survive now-a-days.
    The thing is just that agressivity is not the better way for women to get power. Their power is more efficient in their sexuality and their seduction. And women's seduction don't work like men's seduction. Men need to be assertive, agressive, powerful, tough and achieve great things to be attractive. Women don't need that. They just need to be attractive, passive, and take off their clothes. Doing that they can get power toward a powerful man, and escape the necessity to work hard. Men and women intuitively know that, this is why genders differences automatically happen, and it is not an injustice, it is a natural phenomenon. Not a social construct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkingAboutIt View Post
    How vapid. Now that the niceties are over, did you have something constructive to add?
    Gender != biological sex.
    If gender != biological sex, then it must = social construct.
    Therefore, gender = social construct.

    The basic idea is really simple.
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    Yeah, biological sex. That's the expression I was looking for :o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Naturally doesn't mean shit. By nature's intent, I should be aggresive, dominating, powerful, ambitious, and competitive. I'm not though; despite being born male I'm sincere, kind, quiet, thoughtful, and peaceful. Which means that biological gender doesn't influence psychological gender; that aspect of gender is more likely infleunced by society.
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    Sorry, but... srsly? You are definitely one of the more assertive members of any forum I have seen you participate in. I would be far more inclined to place you in the first bucket, not the second, if I was forced to choose. Do you present that differently IRL?
    Sorry but I disagree here. I see Savage Idealist as having all the 'feminine' qualities he listed in spades. He can be assertive at times, especially regarding certain values he holds dear but isn't that the trademark of dominant Fi? Assertive is different from being agressive and domineering, which I don't see much of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Yes, you are a wimp. But it is something personal. It's just you. And if you admit yourself that you are different from what your gender typically is, you admit yourself that gender exist. You are feminine, but you have always knew you were feminine because you saw that most part of other males were masculine. Seeing that natural phenomenon which is gender.
    He may come across as a feminine male (I admit I mistaken him for a female at first) but he is far from a wimp.
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    There's sex, and then there's gender. One has to ask oneself, is gender a willful delusion if it does not correspond with sex? Is it even possible to correspond social expectations with sex, or do they exist independently? Just how far can a social expectation be shifted out of what is real before it proves to effect those realities?

    At the end of the day, does duty = biological potential? I don't think so. People always have a choice to either carry out what they appear physically capable of doing, or do what resonates most with not what they are, but who they are. I choose not to objectify others; I'd rather treat them as personal, delicate, and autonomous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Gender != biological sex.
    If gender != biological sex, then it must = social construct.
    Therefore, gender = social construct.

    The basic idea is really simple.
    I think social constructs proceed from biological necessity. (We need to create them in order to survive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkingAboutIt View Post
    How vapid. Now that the niceties are over, did you have something constructive to add?
    I'm disappointed in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Yes, aristocracy allowed women to devy from gender. But what is aristocracy? A social construct.
    Learning to read and write is male now? Or not cooking? Or not wanting to be bothered with caring for children?

    Enjoy your absurd strawman argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    The thing is just that agressivity is not the better way for women to get power. Their power is more efficient in their sexuality and their seduction. And women's seduction don't work like men's seduction. Men need to be assertive, agressive, powerful, tough and achieve great things to be attractive. Women don't need that. They just need to be attractive, passive, and take off their clothes. Doing that they can get power toward a powerful man, and escape the necessity to work hard. Men and women intuitively know that, this is why genders differences automatically happen, and it is not an injustice, it is a natural phenomenon. Not a social construct.
    Surely you're not suggesting women take the "casting couch" route and willingly objectify themselves in order to get some advancement in a system where they are disavantaged? That sounds a bit too much like becoming prostitutes no matter what job they get...

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