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    I fricking hate it, but at this point it's a necessary evil. And in our society, life is definitely easier with it than without it.


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    Lol ExFP talking about money as if it's an idealized thing to "want" like a relationship with another human being sorry i couldn't help it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Lol ExFP talking about money as if it's an idealized thing to "want" like a relationship with another human being sorry i couldn't help it!
    It is, though. I'm starting to wonder if a relationship with another human being is just a big farce. (Well, not completely, I just don't see why money and success and everything else has to come second all the time) Why does that have to be more important than money?? Really? Why is it bad to want money?
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    I have found that those that have the least amount of anything, are the ones most generous with what they have.

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    I like it. It allows me to do things that I enjoy doing - traveling, paying for gas so that I can go into the mountains to hike, eating out occasionally, buying healthy food to cook with, drinking tea, buying a lens for my camera so that I can try to take better photos because I really enjoy doing that.... and so on. It also allows me to NOT have to worry about staying healthy and seeing doctors, about paying bills, about having a nice place to live in where I feel safe.

    I've never been driven by it, however. Had I had a really high salary as my end goal, and felt the need to maintain some sort of social status as defined by buying things that are expensive, or owning multiple houses, or whatever, I would have gone into a field that would have guaranteed a high salary, and the salary piece would have been my filter in determining career/job. Salary is now A factor, as having been in the workforce for over 10 years, I'm in a position to be above where I started (which was $10/hr, no benefits), and so I have the experience and maneuvering room to be able to go for higher salaries and expect higher as well, but it's not an infinite ladder that I have my eyes set on.

    I'm comfortable, I know I have a good salary and way better than many looking at culture as a whole (so I feel fortunate), I like being able to do the above-mentioned 'fun' things, I like being able to put money into savings, and also into a separate 401k.
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    I like it (i hoard money) but my life doesn't resolve around it. I've been dirt poor and been happy. I've done OK and been happy. I'm not materialisic so as long as i am content within, then i am content without.

    What i find rather comical is seeing who your friends are when you have little as opposed to when you have a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I like this view. I am like that, too, except have my times of splurging. (To make the saving more fun.) I think as long as it doesn't become an obsession, and you don't discount other priorities in your life, money is a great, great thing. It's fun to play with and try to do better and better. I never want to spend up to my means. Everything is a balance.

    Money is not what's evil. It's wanting more than you can afford and having the wrong idea about money. Debt and being tied down with things is what makes people unhappy.
    There is the saying about "neither a lender nor borrower be" and that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Your thoughts on money please?
    The major problem with money is that it is anti-democratic. If it was not related to the amount of power you have in the society, then it might be ok. I don't see how people are not demanding real democracy.

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    Miscellanous ramblings...

    I understand that some form of currency is needed when doing commerce between large entities such as companies and countries. It's just that having the same currency and exchange rate at the individual level makes it feel like the individuals are at the whims of the 'market'. It may have been ok when people lived and traded in closed economies but when the world became smaller due to telecommunications and the Internet, the wealth disparity issues just make it too susceptible to manipulation.

    Also, the odds are clearly stacked in the favour of those who have lots of money since the more money you have, the ability to make even more money increases. Being able to use the money to influence political decisions doesn't make it any better. Don't remember where I read this but imagine a game of cards where some of the players have gold chips in addition to normal chips. And the rule is that the people with the gold chips can change the rules of the game.

    Anyway, I have no idea how the current system can be 'fixed' or even if it needs to be 'fixed'. I'm fortunate in that I have a comfortable job and some savings/investments, but there is always a chance that I would wake up one day and find that it is all just virtual money and completely worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    It is, though. I'm starting to wonder if a relationship with another human being is just a big farce. (Well, not completely, I just don't see why money and success and everything else has to come second all the time) Why does that have to be more important than money?? Really? Why is it bad to want money?
    Lol, I didn't want to say it's bad, really. I just think it might be dangerous to consider money as something someone "wants" as if it's not just a medium of exchange. I mean, if someone is interested in you, then it's relatively *easy* to act and start a relationship. OTOH you might want money with all your being, but there might be a thousand reasons why you won't get it, outside of your control (bad economy, crashes, bad luck).
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