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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    His obsession with neutering and dismantling the government generally puts him in the corner as someone I wouldn't want to win. I would like it, however, if is candidacy drums up support and then he runs third party after failing to get the nomination. I want Palin to do that, too. Split up the vote, suckers.
    Lol. Reminds me of how Nader ruined the race for Gore.

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    I'm not a fan of his economic policies; in particular, his most recent focus on returning the United States to the gold standard (which would effectively neuter the Federal Reserve and stifle monetary policy). A libertarian approach to the economy is essentially a belief that the desires of the populace will, without any intervention, aggregate on a macro level into an ideal economy (productive, relatively equitable, etc), which just hasn't been shown to be the case historically. I find his positions on other issues, such as the environment, gay marriage, etc, to be respectable. However, his failure on economic policy means he will never get my vote.
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    The only political mumbo-jumbo I care about are civil liberties and other social-related things. Juggling the economy is a difficult task, and I wouldn't know much about it.

    From what I gather from teh internets, Paul is pro-choice and is against network neutrality... which I disagree with. However, we're on the same page in that: He strongly disagrees with the PATRIOT Act, he is in favor of medical marijuana, and generally appears to be tolerant of gay marriage.

    Overall, he seems pretty meh. Don't really care much about him. He'll never win anyway.

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    He's actually personally against a lot of those things but would leave it up to the states to decide their state rights.
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    I'm not down for working on changing the economy.. we need to fix it before we can start changing it all up, imo. You don't work on your backyard when your roof's leaking.

    I was forced to read a book he wrote about all of his little speakings in court and whatnot.. while I don't agree with everything, I have to say he is extremely consistent. My book report's introduction started with "I may as well have read the first chapter and wrote a report based on it. The whole book was the same thing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I'm not a fan of his economic policies; in particular, his most recent focus on returning the United States to the gold standard (which would effectively neuter the Federal Reserve and stifle monetary policy). A libertarian approach to the economy is essentially a belief that the desires of the populace will, without any intervention, aggregate on a macro level into an ideal economy (productive, relatively equitable, etc), which just hasn't been shown to be the case historically. I find his positions on other issues, such as the environment, gay marriage, etc, to be respectable. However, his failure on economic policy means he will never get my vote.
    the opposite. fiat currency has 100% of the time historically hyperinflated or deflated out of existance, thereby destroying the economy of the said nation with it. this had happened over 3000 times
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    His job is to make us realize how silly the other politicians look/sound/vote

    But I wouldn't want him in the white house.

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    the opposite. fiat currency has 100% of the time historically hyperinflated or deflated out of existance, thereby destroying the economy of the said nation with it. this had happened over 3000 times
    The thing about this is its a gross over simplification, the same as when people get excited about the fact that Ron Paul is very consistent, I'll bet that groups like the Socialist Workers Party (everyone hates the SWP) or the US communist Party are consistent but who cares?

    On the fiat currencies thing, do you imagine that if they have a record of failing that their continued application is what? Just people failing to learn the old ways are best? The old ways are the only ways?

    The reality is that the modest prosperity which most people enjoy, including libertarians, and the obscene prosperity which some people enjoy, rests upon mechanisms such as fiat currencies and state actions as much as business cycles. While I'm not a big fan of the fact that modernity has replaced starvation with obesity for some I dont want to revert to the earlier arrangement.

    If Ron Paul and his supporters want to see how their ideals would work out I'm sure there's plenty of places in the states they could buy a book about or even direcly visit the Amish community. It was either Peguy or Take Five who said that Ron Paul's rise and popularity indicated a generally pretty unsophisticated political discourse in the US and I'm inclined to agree, it is all the most fantastic mirror of the most immoderate elements of Marxism to me. I cant wait until the equivalent of Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism is written about Capitalism.

    This was a great idea but the f**k if it worked in practice pretty much covers it when it comes to capitalism or command economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The thing about this is its a gross over simplification, the same as when people get excited about the fact that Ron Paul is very consistent, I'll bet that groups like the Socialist Workers Party (everyone hates the SWP) or the US communist Party are consistent but who cares?

    On the fiat currencies thing, do you imagine that if they have a record of failing that their continued application is what? Just people failing to learn the old ways are best? The old ways are the only ways?

    The reality is that the modest prosperity which most people enjoy, including libertarians, and the obscene prosperity which some people enjoy, rests upon mechanisms such as fiat currencies and state actions as much as business cycles. While I'm not a big fan of the fact that modernity has replaced starvation with obesity for some I dont want to revert to the earlier arrangement.

    If Ron Paul and his supporters want to see how their ideals would work out I'm sure there's plenty of places in the states they could buy a book about or even direcly visit the Amish community. It was either Peguy or Take Five who said that Ron Paul's rise and popularity indicated a generally pretty unsophisticated political discourse in the US and I'm inclined to agree, it is all the most fantastic mirror of the most immoderate elements of Marxism to me. I cant wait until the equivalent of Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism is written about Capitalism.

    This was a great idea but the f**k if it worked in practice pretty much covers it when it comes to capitalism or command economies.
    actually, it's not an oversimplification. when I said every single fiat currency in history, I mean that of over 3,000 fiat currencies in world history that have been documented not a single one survived long term (and all met disasterous ends). even Alan Greenspan himself (the chairman of the federal reserve) claims that the most prosperous growth in the United States occured from after the Civil War to 1913 when we were on a gold standard with no federal reserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    actually, it's not an oversimplification. when I said every single fiat currency in history, I mean that of over 3,000 fiat currencies in world history that have been documented not a single one survived long term (and all met disasterous ends). even Alan Greenspan himself (the chairman of the federal reserve) claims that the most prosperous growth in the United States occured from after the Civil War to 1913 when we were on a gold standard with no federal reserve.
    Yes, I understand why Greenspan would say that, however what variables is he using to make that judgement and calculation? Is it the availability of health care, consumer choice, the availability of goods and services at affordable prices to working people earning living wages? After the civil war in 1913 the southern states were suffering crippling war reparations, the plight of freed slaves was something serious to behold and arguments like the one you just made are statistical rather than historical.

    If you are going to make comparisons between 3000 fiat currencies are you going to make comparisons between 3000 different societies with different cultural, industrial, developmental, not to mention financial, circumstances? At what point do you decide that there is just too much scope, too many independent variables and too much generalisation going on?

    Really I'm unimpressed with that sort of sloppy reasoning and conclusions. So should you be.

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