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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    My father, one of the people vehemothly and illogically against him and any other liberal is already complaining about 'discrepancies' in the certificate.

    Does he also think THE COMUNISSS ARE COMING?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    True but I suspect that many moderates or at least the more informed variety, didn't and still don't care beyond finding the birthers discomfort, mildly amusing. But then my impression of the birthers is that most aren't terribly bright or are media manipulators and limelight opportunists like Trump.
    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I don't know, it sort of looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from viewing quite a view shops in my time.
    I looks like a reprint. It's printed onto a larger paper signed 4-25-11.
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    I demand to see a certificate of authenticity for this birth certificate.
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    The Birthers are plainly acting in bad faith, but the electronic media makes no distinction between bad faith and good faith, as long as you are a person of faith you can establish a presence in the electronic media.

    And that is all that matters in the electronic media - presence. Celebrities are the the perfect product of the electronic media - they are celebrated not for anything they have done, but for their sheer presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    What is the big deal, I mean why shouldn't a naturalized citizen be able to become president of the USA? The law might have had relevance in 1789 to prevent a British president, but what is the issue now?
    This is my position, as well. This entire debate is irrelevant, but birthers are hopeless (they're pretty much all creationists, too, so they're doubly hopeless).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan.of.Devin View Post
    I demand to see a certificate of authenticity for this birth certificate.
    Give 'em a break - moving goalposts is hard work!

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    The above is a sample 1963 birth certificate from Hawaii. Have at it birthers.

    I too agree that his birth detail is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I don't know, it sort of looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from viewing quite a view shops in my time.


    Trust me, I'm an expert.

    Obama is an illegal alien who is secretly plotting to take over the world with communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Idiot.
    He should have released this long ago and saved us all a lot of moronic chatter.
    UPDATE: Just to clarify, since it somehow became a point of contention:
    He released as much as what Hawaii legally disseminated, and he did that in 2008.
    Hawaii state law prohibited release of photocopies of the original BC to anyone.

    At this point in time, he was able to make the case that it would save Hawaii money in the long-term to just provide photocopies of the originals, than for them to continue to field the weekly flow of requests.

    So they provided a waiver.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_birth_hawaii
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