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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    If you want more, be more productive, it's a good way to be.
    It's true to some degree, but toiling within the constraints of an unfair set of rules is shortsighted. Often, it makes more sense to question the rules.
    That's something I can live with. With regards to Atlas Shrugged it's really just looking at what eventually happens when a society perpetually redistributes wealth from those who are productive (not rich) to those who are unproductive. Viewing it as a rich vs poor argument is bad karma and an injustice.
    While it is unquestionably beneficial to reward productivity in order to encourage it, failing to redistribute wealth will lead to a different set of social problems. Also, it is false to assert that every rich person got that way through productivity. Therefore, working harder is not the only fair way to get more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Indeed, one could be suicidal and have an extreme cold fetish.
    Crazy people are by definition, not objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Crazy people are by definition, not objective.
    Well, we'd need an objective definition of sanity to accurately and objectively define insanity. Besides, it seems impossible, from a philosophical standpoint, to compellingly or completely argue that someone in an asylum is definitively wrong at all. Appeal to popularity (of views, thoughts or ideas) is, after all, a fallacy (Unless, I suppose, you're actually arguing that something is popular).

    That's not to say you can't make a pretty strong argument that they're probably wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Crazy people are by definition, not objective.
    That does not matter. Things have value only in relation to a goal. There is no exception. Therefore, there is no objectively superior thing, what- or however it might be.

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    Philosophically, almost nothing is absolutely provable. However, shared perception and consistency is a sufficiently effective way to judge reality. The absolute truth doesn't matter. That's why I think Kant sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Philosophically, almost nothing is absolutely provable. However, shared perception and consistency is a sufficiently effective way to judge reality. The absolute truth doesn't matter. That's why I think Kant sucks.
    Very interesting. That does not, however, turn 'subjective' into 'objective'.

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    In other news, the new Atlas Shrugged film has a 5% rating on RT (so far.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Very interesting. That does not, however, turn 'subjective' into 'objective'.
    The absolute meaning of "objective" is of no practical value and is not worthy of discussion.

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    wrong post
    Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun - Watts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Also, it is false to assert that every rich person got that way through productivity. Therefore, working harder is not the only fair way to get more.
    What are ways that people unfairly come into money?
    Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun - Watts

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