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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    That's because Obama is a moderate, middle of the road Democrat, very far from a socialist. If Ronald Reagan were around today, he would be drummed out of the Republican party as too liberal (and called a socialist)... he raised taxes when needed, spent as needed for worthwhile efforts, sometimes placed the environment over corporate interests, was tolerant (or reasonably so) on social issues (for the time), and even supported amnesty for hard-working illegal immigrants.
    Funny, as Tea Party types regard the current Republican Party as virtually the same as Democrats (based on taxes, big govt, spending, abortion and the other issues, etc.)
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    I'm curious to see how this will effect that properties I've got rented under Section 8 myself.

    Otherwise...should be interesting to see how this will play out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Funny, as Tea Party types regard the current Republican Party as virtually the same as Democrats (based on taxes, big govt, spending, abortion and the other issues, etc.)
    That makes no sense since so many members of the Tea Party are like crazy evangelicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its not anarchy its the first move in the socialist takeover sponsored by an international bankers conspiracy against the very life blood of American patriots and their families, they've had it in for the US ever since the day of the founding fathers you know (add blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah)
    You know this comment, and some of the points Seymour raised (about Ronald Reagan, etc.) make me wonder where exactly we'd find the origin of this extremist, fanatical paranoia.

    Even Bush Sr. (sanely) disapproved of some of the things Bush Jr. did in office. The Republican party changed that much in less than 20 years.

    Not that all Republicans are this way. I'm just asking, WTF. Where did this trend even begin?

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    I'll get back to you tomorrow Seymour.

    Too tired now.

    But know this.... you just opened a can of worms you didn't want to.

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    It's all just a cluster fuck, imo.

    Though the consensus is that this will have very different effects than the shutdown of 95, yeah?

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    What's really odd about all this is that the cuts they're proposing wouldn't even affect abortions? Apparently they are upset about pap smears and other women's health needs?

    And if there are less condoms, and less bc, then there are more abortions...or more children (to drain welfare)...and possibly more AIDS.

    How is it that these people don't comprehend that providing sex education and related health care actually prevents unwanted pregnancies and terminal illness, which in turn become financial drains on the government as well?

    WHAT DO THEY NOT GET? Do they not understand the concept of "preventative measures"? I seriously wonder if some of these people even...think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    And that's why only 23% of Republicans support gay marriage? And why the gay issue has been such an effective Republican fund raising tool? And why new state Republican legislatures started tackling social issues last year?

    To be fair, though, only 17% of Republican respondants in a recent gallup poll claimed that social issues were most important to them. It would be interesting to see a ranking, though.
    OK I'm a foreigner and probably don't properly understand all this but...

    If 'social issues' aren't central to most Republicans and they don't represent the tea party, where the hell is all this extreme inter-party conflict coming from? I mean, is the divide between the left and right truly representative of a divide in the American public or has it just been imposed on them?

    And why are ordinary people putting up with all this crap? Its like the politicians aren't being held accountable for this stuff. If this was anywhere else people would be mass protesting/rioting in the streets. Are people really falling for all the BS grandstanding, song-and-dance distractions that the politicians constantly perform or is it something else? I really don't get how all this could happen - its like a car crash in slow motion. :confused:

    Its so sad to see American politics slowly descend into this quagmire of petty bickering; this way everyone loses.
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    The rich get richer. I believe that's what politics in America are about, and moral issues are just things the rich use to manipulate people. The top ten major campaign contributors to McCain and Obama were very similar. Both sides are liars playing the same game.

    Terrorism kills maybe, what, 60 people per year on average? Lack of proper medical care kills 100's of thousands. England, France, Canada, Japan, Cuba, and various other modern powers have medical care for their citizens. It's not a wet dream for them. We are behind in education too. Maybe that's the problem. And there's no justification for it. We are wasting lots of money in wars that are all about increasing wealth for the elite at our expense. Meanwhile, I'm way more scared of going to the doctor than I am of bin Laden and the whole Arab world and Korea combined.

    Of course, it's all bullshit. I'll see it as a sign of hope when the first thing congress does is reduce their income to the per capita income of the US. Most are already millionaires. Then it will be the next hopeful sign when receiving any funding, benefits, contributions from lobbyists is punishable by removal from congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    What's really odd about all this is that the cuts they're proposing wouldn't even affect abortions? Apparently they are upset about pap smears and other women's health needs?

    And if there are less condoms, and less bc, then there are more abortions...or more children (to drain welfare)...and possibly more AIDS.

    How is it that these people don't comprehend that providing sex education and related health care actually prevents unwanted pregnancies and terminal illness, which in turn become financial drains on the government as well?

    WHAT DO THEY NOT GET? Do they not understand the concept of "preventative measures"? I seriously wonder if some of these people even...think.
    Are you familiar with fungibility?

    Every dollar Planned Parenthood gets for pap smears from the federal government means that another dollar received from another source is freed up to be spent on abortion.
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