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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    I watched it while working on stuff at a customer site (I don't own a TV), and I agree. He's great at playing the crowds - he should be an entertainer of some kind. However, his allusions and content are both very questionable, and this is definitely the beginning of the end for him, though he had a much better chance than Hillary. Like her, he has skillfully alienated much of his contingency. Between the two of them, the democratic party will self-destruct.
    Has he really alienated anyone else with his speech besides the ones who already saw through his shtick? The responses to it were disgustingly laudatory. One journalist said it was alternately one of the best in human history and then one of the best in the past 45 years, when all he did was eloquently regurgitate the same old racial victimhood BS we've been hearing for the past 4 decades. Post-racial my ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I also really doubt Obama is a rabid hater of whites and America. :rolli:
    Yeah, maybe not, but the fact that he defends his membership with an organization that vehemently promotes such an ideology speaks volumes about his lack of personal conviction.
    I don't wanna!

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    Thanks for posting the video, by the way! I can't get on to Youtube at work...makes things difficult.

    As for the speech's long term effects, I think they're minimal. The people that support him already speak of it as the best speech in American History. Those that dislike him consider it another fluff-filled speech from a great snake oil salesman.

    Whatever the outcome, it certainly won't make his pastor's comments fall away any time soon. We've discovered that the man isn't made of teflon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuilinThiefTaker View Post
    Did anyone catch Obama's speech on race?
    Who didn't?

    It makes me laugh, because an Australian news report presented it such:

    Obama Hotter Than Sex
    US Senator Barack Obama has achieved what few before him have, with his speech on race becoming a hotter topic on the internet than sex.
    Alright, you can go back to serious discussion now.
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    Is anyone actually going to address his content or is everyone stuck on style and presentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Is anyone actually going to address his content or is everyone stuck on style and presentation?

    This is politics. Why would we want to analyze content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuilinThiefTaker View Post
    This is politics. Why would we want to analyze content?

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    No matter what they say, they always work for the best interests of the corporations. No one holds their feet to the fire over this, whether they be Democrat or Republican. We're all too busy being titilated with their scandals. We get what we deserve.

    Neither party is running anyone to get excited over this time.

    Until people wake up to the circus that politics is and that a bad tree cannot produce a good fruit, nothing will change anyway. Just more talk. More spin and some distracting scandals coming our way. We will all fight it out tooth and nail, while they really work in tandem to further the issues of wealth and power over the rest of us.

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    Let's break the cycle. Some commentary to jog discussion.

    From the WSJ:

    How to turn one's blackness to advantage?

    The answer is that one "bargains." Bargaining is a mask that blacks can wear in the American mainstream, one that enables them to put whites at their ease. This mask diffuses the anxiety that goes along with being white in a multiracial society. Bargainers make the subliminal promise to whites not to shame them with America's history of racism, on the condition that they will not hold the bargainer's race against him. And whites love this bargain -- and feel affection for the bargainer -- because it gives them racial innocence in a society where whites live under constant threat of being stigmatized as racist. So the bargainer presents himself as an opportunity for whites to experience racial innocence.

    This is how Mr. Obama has turned his blackness into his great political advantage, and also into a kind of personal charisma...
    From the LA Times:
    But in his speech, Obama also offered a context that explained (without excusing) Wright's ravings: "For the men and women of Rev. Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table."

    This is the sort of blunt language that is seldom heard in stump speeches by politicians of any race...
    Interesting quotes from Obama's speech:

    For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.
    In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds - by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.
    This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn't look like you might take your job; it's that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuilinThiefTaker View Post
    This is politics. Why would we want to analyze content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    Has he really alienated anyone else with his speech besides the ones who already saw through his shtick? The responses to it were disgustingly laudatory. One journalist said it was alternately one of the best in human history and then one of the best in the past 45 years, when all he did was eloquently regurgitate the same old racial victimhood BS we've been hearing for the past 4 decades. Post-racial my ass.



    Yeah, maybe not, but the fact that he defends his membership with an organization that vehemently promotes such an ideology speaks volumes about his lack of personal conviction.

    The press is going to glorify whatever he does... he's their man.

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