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    That leaves us with no options.

    This train of thought leads one to the, "hey I didn't vote, don't blame me" fence sitters delight.

    Pretty much all choices have their pro's and con's.

    Saying you wont participate until something completely satisfies your views, is both a good way to exculpate oneself and create a political organization that is palatable to only one person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    That leaves us with no options.

    This train of thought leads one to the, "hey I didn't vote, don't blame me" fence sitters delight.

    Pretty much all choices have their pro's and con's.

    Saying you wont participate until something completely satisfies your views, is both a good way to exculpate oneself and create a political organization that is palatable to only one person.
    Wait, wait, how does this suddenly become the fault of those that neglect to participate. I've long been a proponent of compulsory voting, I believe it is a civic duty to be held in high regard, but this is not a feature of our society. Many truly do feel it wrong to follow someone or something that they do not believe in. There has to be a potential for a new view to emerge, else the political climate risks stagnation.

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    Wait, wait, how does this suddenly become the fault of those that neglect to participate.
    Because laziness is the source behind the vast majority of those who abstain from voting (lets be honest).

    If they really cared, they would do the homework to find a suitable third party candidate, or try to start their own movement.

    How frequently has your new view come from the populace and not evolved from the one political power or another?

    The only other place that politically solvent and salient (I went ahead and underlined this for you) ideas come from (that I can think of) is the media. And that's unfortunate.

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    This isn't about a defense for Bush and an attack on Obama, but it does clearly show the hypocrisy within Liberalism and the media.

    1) Isn’t this a rush to war? There were 17 UN resolutions regarding Iraq, Bush talked about going to war for a full year before we actually invaded, and he received Congressional approval first. After all that, liberals STILL shouted that it was a “rush to war.” Meanwhile, Obama decided to bomb Libya in between making his Final Four picks and planning out a vacation to Brazil, probably because Hillary yelled at him. How about applying the same standards to Obama that you applied to Bush?

    2) Is Obama invading Libya because Gaddafi insulted him? Liberals claimed George Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam tried to assassinate his father. Using that same line of thinking, could the notoriously thin-skinned Obama be bombing Libya because he’s still angry that Gaddafi once said this about him?

    We fear that Obama will feel that, because he is black with an inferiority complex, this will make him behave worse than the whites. This will be a tragedy. We tell him to be proud of himself as a black and feel that all Africa is behind him because if he sticks to this inferiority complex he will have a worse foreign policy than the whites had in the past.

    Obama doesn’t have much use for anyone who criticizes him. Even his spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright learned all about what the underside of a bus looks like after he dared to criticize Obama. Is that Obama’s real motivation? Hmmmmmmm, liberals?

    3) Is this a war for oil? What was it liberals kept saying over and over about Iraq? Oh yeah, it was “No blood for oil!” What was the rationale for claiming the war in Iraq was about oil? Iraq had oil; we were going to war there; so obviously it just MUST be about oil. That was it. So, Libya has oil and unlike Hussein, Gaddafi has been cooperative of late; so there’s no compelling reason for America to invade….except perhaps, to safeguard all that Texas T. flowing beneath the sand. So, when do we have liberals in the streets shouting “No blood for oil?”

    4) Where are the massive protests? Can’t you just see it? The Communist Party, Code Pink, the black bloc, and the free Mumia wackjobs all joining together with the Tea Party to protest Obama. Wouldn’t that be fun? I mean personally, I’ve been waiting for years to wear a “No Blood For Oil” sign while I carry around a giant puppet head. Someone call the commies and union members who organize all these hippie shindigs for the Left and let’s do this thing!

    5) Shouldn’t we have tried to talk it out with Gaddafi instead? I thought that the Muslim world loves and respects America since Barack Obama became President? So, why not try to talk it out with Gaddafi? Perhaps Obama should have been humble, realized he didn’t have all the answers, and then he could have had a conversation with Gaddafi instead of threatening him? Maybe he should have considered the possibility that Libya’s culture is a little different than ours. Had he perhaps met with Gaddafi and bowed to him to show his respect, this could have probably been worked out without violence. Oh, why, why must we be so arrogant and so ignorant of other nations’ rich cultural traditions, which in Libya apparently consist of murdering everyone who opposes you?

    6) Aren’t we just starting a cycle of violence by bombing Libya? You know what they say, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!” We drop bombs on them, they get angry, and next thing you know, they turn into terrorists to get us back! That was what we heard from the Left over and over during the Bush years, wasn’t it? That we were creating terrorists?

    That’s why liberals like Richard Gere suggested brilliant strategies like this to deal with Al-Qaeda:

    In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who’s suffering. (But we must also think about) the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It’s all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see (the terrorists) as a relative who’s dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There’s nothing better.

    Maybe instead of bombing Libya, Obama needs to engage in a little more love and compassion by hugging Gaddafi into submission!

    7) Isn’t Barack Obama a chickenhawk? Barack Obama has never served in the military; yet he just decided to engage in a “war of choice” in Libya. Even if you chalk up Iraq and Afghanistan to Obama cleaning up after Bush, this one is all on him. If American soliders die, it’s because Obama chose to put them in harm’s way. If Libyan civilians are killed by American weapons, it’s because Barack Obama gave the order to attack. So, can we all agree that Barack Obama is a squawking, yellow bellied chickenhawk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Because laziness is the source behind the vast majority of those who abstain from voting (lets be honest).

    If they really cared, they would do the homework to find a suitable third party candidate, or try to start their own movement.

    How frequently has your new view come from the populace and not evolved from the one political power or another?

    The only other place that politically solvent and salient (I went ahead and underlined this for you) ideas come from (that I can think of) is the media. And that's unfortunate.
    While we are still on this subject, let us take a moment to be grateful for all the third party movements our great, two-party nation has seen throughout her history. And we should thank the many citizens who compose the nuts and bolts of our media, for they alone have the duty to inform and warn our entire population. Many would go the extra mile and seek additional sources (and opposing views) to supplement the information available, and we should support this sort of behavior. I believe that it is good to fully informed of the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Because laziness is the source behind the vast majority of those who abstain from voting (lets be honest).

    If they really cared, they would do the homework to find a suitable third party candidate, or try to start their own movement.

    How frequently has your new view come from the populace and not evolved from the one political power or another?

    The only other place that politically solvent and salient (I went ahead and underlined this for you) ideas come from (that I can think of) is the media. And that's unfortunate.
    Is it simply laziness, or a feeling of ineffectualness? Do people not vote because they don't want to make the effort, or is it because they believe the effort is pointless?

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