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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Jenaphor, you do realise that the conetnt of your post is really that you'd like people to cease posting anything vexatious to you otherwise they are hypocrites? So far as discussions go that's a new one to me.
    Nope. I'm expressing myself, just like everyone else is with no more power to enforce my opinion, than anyone else. That is unless you believe that I have great powers to enforce my will and beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    The average person currently, has more material wealth than many of the "aristocrats" in the 1500's. Suffice to say, as a comparison, the standard of living has greatly increased making most people "millionaires", if put back into a 1500's.
    I would also argue that the peasant/lower/slave castes 500 years from now will live in so much more luxury, that it would be easy to see why today's millionaires weep. The little things like penicillin and hot water heaters just make life so much more enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    If I were wealthy, you'd never see me bitching about this preposterous bullshit.
    Read and understand the article instead of making shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    I would also argue that the peasant/lower/slave castes 500 years from now will live in so much more luxury, that it would be easy to see why today's millionaires weep. The little things like penicillin and hot water heaters just make life so much more enjoyable.
    I suggest you go back to the article and find excerpts where the millionaires are weeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Read and understand the article instead of making shit up.
    Making shit up? I'm not the one claiming that other people are insisting that millionaires give away everything and live in abject poverty.

    You're resorting to this because you have nothing else to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Does it not occur to you that this rule could apply to everyone on the earth, rather than conveniently to one country's market?
    Then I say shame on you, Magic, for the naked theft you have perpetrated against the citizens of Mali. How dare you spend time on the Internet squandering your ill-gotten gains on electric lighting and cable service, when there are people in the world going to bed hungry this night? Because of YOU!?!

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    I firmly believe that there can come a day when there is no wage-slavery and no abusive industry anywhere in the world... where everyone who wants to can have not only adequate food, clothing, and shelter, but enough of all these things to represent a high standard of living. The earth has enough resources to sustain it... it's just a matter of distribution.

    But I propose to you that the answer to this distribution problem does not lie in simply redistributing the wealth. That won't work unless you also redistribute opportunity. By that I mean opportunity for education, for medical care, for justice under the law, and for pursuit of personal gain. The poorest nations in the world are kleptocracies; the people are poor because the government steals everything that isn't nailed down, and many things that are. This makes even the smallest bit of economic development impossible, and foreign investment stays far away.

    Give every man and woman in the world equal rights and equal justice under the law, including the right to a fair and secure marketplace for goods, services, and real property, and you will see the standard of living improve worldwide. Provide basic medical care and health education to everyone in the world, and the standard of living will go up yet again. Provide quality education through secondary school and make it universal, and it's only a matter of time before nations like Chad and Mali are on their way... but it starts with good government, and equal rights under the law. Without these things the rest of it won't matter much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    The average person currently, has more material wealth than many of the "aristocrats" in the 1500's. Suffice to say, as a comparison, the standard of living has greatly increased making most people "millionaires", if put back into a 1500's.
    What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Most can agree on what is considered above-average attractive. So if you mutilated everyone within that 49% range, it would level the playing field for everyone below that cut-off point.
    No, you don't get it. I said we will find something else. Since none of the currently attractive people will exist in the same state, something is going to have to give. It can never be leveled. Between two mutilated people, by some chance, one will be mutilated in a slightly less ugly way. It's contrast. If I show you red and blue together, you'll have a hard time noticing the difference between R 100 G 0 B 0 and R 100 G 0 B 64. But if your whole range were within that scope, you'd notice the difference and probably make decisions based on it.

    And that being said, you didn't answer my point about having an appreciable impact or not on those who are subjected to it. So now I've whittled you down to half a point from my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Nope. I'm expressing myself, just like everyone else is with no more power to enforce my opinion, than anyone else. That is unless you believe that I have great powers to enforce my will and beliefs.
    I'll post again, maybe read it slowly and see what I've said.

    Jenaphor, you do realise that the content of your post is really that you'd like people to cease posting anything vexatious to you otherwise they are hypocrites? So far as discussions go that's a new one to me.
    Ultimately it is similar to responding to every post with "rich bastard" or "jealous bastard", it progresses the discussion not a whit, its debatable what the intent of the thread was given that its been clarified that a million in retirement with present longevity is not a lot but what's not debatable is that it wasnt intended as a platform for trading insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Making shit up? I'm not the one claiming that other people are insisting that millionaires give away everything and live in abject poverty.

    You're resorting to this because you have nothing else to say.
    Nope, just offsetting your fallacious description of millionaires whining. I didn't read anything within the article that suggested whining.

    The point which you appear to be missing time and again, is that people have what they have and are legally entitled to what they have unless they're prosecuted for criminal activity. To suggest that people who have, should have any or all of it taken away for those who don't, makes no sense coming from individuals who have more than others. It's not a rocket science concept and is flooring me how difficult a concept it appears to you.

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    Whew... I'm going to have to take a breather from this thread for a bit. I'll catch everyone tomorrow... if we haven't all been temp-banned, that is...

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