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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    intervening to prevent/hault abuse is not the same thing as intervening to take redistribute profits, highly tax or become a player in how the business is operated systematically. putting out laws against releasing harmful pollutants into the air is no different from putting out laws against burglary. I don't see how this is comparable in the least to government run businesses, outrageous taxation or communism.
    How do you feel about police departments, interstate highways, fire departments, public schools, and the military & national guard? Are these outrageous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    How do you feel about police departments, interstate highways, fire departments, public schools, and the military & national guard? Are these outrageous?
    outrageous: no
    inefficient: yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    outrageous: no
    inefficient: yes
    Inefficient in what ways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Inefficient in what ways?
    1) public schools are
    - loaded with politically correct propaganda
    - teach information that is often times completely false (according to a large percentage of professors)
    - it doesn't teach children how to communicate effectively (85% of success and 85% of problems)
    - class sizes are too large

    2) interstate highways
    - private highways would cost less per person than the abhorrent amount of wasted taxes that go toward paying workers several times more than private companies for more time and less effective work
    3) police and fire departments are fine.
    4) military and national guard are part of national defense, this cannot be privatized even under capitalism. libertarians are not anarchists lol.
    5) that being said, we waste billions of dollars a year on national offense. this is a complete waste of the taxpayers dollars. or more accurately, a politically engineered business plan that is funded by tax dollars and human lives.... but this is another topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Look, Marmie Dearest... atleast I can say that I looked at an opposing view on this topic.. which is much more than you can, i believe =) I don't need to look at ANY of your sources to know who I'm arguing with... you don't have any.. and resort to personal attacks instead of idea attacks.
    It's not a personal attack on you. It's an attack on your heavily biased sources, and the fact that Austrian economic theory has *never* been proven to work at all in reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    Look, Marmie Dearest... atleast I can say that I looked at an opposing view on this topic.. which is much more than you can, i believe =) I don't need to look at ANY of your sources to know who I'm arguing with... you don't have any.. and resort to personal attacks instead of idea attacks.
    Oh and btw, I have looked into opposing views. I was raised in a very conservative Republican home, considered myself a Republican until high school, and while in college I did a ten page research paper on Ron Paul for a political science class, wrote a paper on how Republicans view the world for an expository writing class, and looked specificaly into Austrian economic theory when the stock market crashed. I've also read articles in Reason and I've read some Ayn Rand.

    Please stop making assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    1) public schools are
    - loaded with politically correct propaganda
    - teach information that is often times completely false (according to a large percentage of professors)
    - it doesn't teach children how to communicate effectively (85% of success and 85% of problems)
    - class sizes are too large

    2) interstate highways
    - private highways would cost less per person than the abhorrent amount of wasted taxes that go toward paying workers several times more than private companies for more time and less effective work
    3) police and fire departments are fine.
    4) military and national guard are part of national defense, this cannot be privatized even under capitalism. libertarians are not anarchists lol.
    5) that being said, we waste billions of dollars a year on national offense. this is a complete waste of the taxpayers dollars. or more accurately, a politically engineered business plan that is funded by tax dollars and human lives.... but this is another topic
    What are some examples of propaganda in schools? D.A.R.E.?

    As a biologist, I am all too aware of the growing movement to replace science with creationism in public schools, and this disturbs me greatly.

    How do you reach the conclusion that children are not learning to communicate effectively?

    Decreasing class sizes would benefit students greatly

    Where are some examples of private highways operating significantly more efficiently than public highways?

    Why can national defense not be privatized? We have privatized significant components (in some regions, contracted personnel outnumber military personnel) of our war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, why would these privatization methods not work elsewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    What are some examples of propaganda in schools? D.A.R.E.?

    As a biologist, I am all too aware of the growing movement to replace science with creationism in public schools, and this disturbs me greatly.

    How do you reach the conclusion that children are not learning to communicate effectively?

    Decreasing class sizes would benefit students greatly

    Where are some examples of private highways operating significantly more efficiently than public highways?

    Why can national defense not be privatized? We have privatized significant components (in some regions, contracted personnel outnumber military personnel) of our war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, why would these privatization methods not work elsewhere?


    What are some examples of propaganda in schools? D.A.R.E.?

    As a biologist, I am all too aware of the growing movement to replace science with creationism in public schools, and this disturbs me greatly.
    you've just answered your own question, among other examples including feminism (women > men feminism, not legitimate feminism), lack of education about the constitution

    How do you reach the conclusion that children are not learning to communicate effectively?
    1) trend of passive-aggressive behavior in generation Y
    2) poor grammar and unclear speaking
    3)increased rates of divorce and communication problems among couples
    4) obscene amounts of domestic violence by and against both genders


    Decreasing class sizes would benefit students greatly
    it is impossible to have a coherent, intelligent exchange of information under such circumstances

    Where are some examples of private highways operating significantly more efficiently than public highways?

    I can't think of any. that was actually more a hypothesis based on past examples of private vs federal spending in the same areas

    Why can national defense not be privatized? We have privatized significant components of our war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, why would these privatization methods not work elsewhere?
    good question. I honestly don't know enough to answer this question, but to me it doesn't seem safe because this would give the national defense more real power than the government which could lead to a rebellion or even a forced dictatorship

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    Poor grammar is more the fault of social trends and lack of funding to schools than it is failure inherently in the public school system, because some of the best schools in the world are in nations which practice a greater degree of social democracy than the U.S. (Canada, Australia, etc.).

    Divorce and poor communication is based in an emotionally immature society too focused on instant gratification which could easily be laid at the feet of current trends in capitalism.

    Domestic violence is no more obscene than it's ever been, in fact I would say it's less than it once was...you know, when it was on law books that you could beat your wife with a stick no bigger than yea high, and just not on Sundays.

    Divorce has also helped people to leave domestic violence situations, so it's not ALL bad.

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    [QUOTE=Marmie Dearest;1505837]Oh and btw, I have looked into opposing views. I was raised in a very conservative Republican home, considered myself a Republican until high school, and while in college I did a ten page research paper on Ron Paul for a political science class, wrote a paper on how Republicans view the world for an expository writing class, and looked specificaly into Austrian economic theory when the stock market crashed. I've also read articles in Reason and I've read some Ayn Rand.

    Please stop making assumptions.[/QUOTE

    I honestly don't know why you feel the need to validate your opinons with a biography here.. and it doesnt matter how much Rand, Neitzsche, Chomsky whtever someone reads in there spare time.. They still have to be able to support there ideas. Now I've supported my ideas.. maybe not to YOUR satisfaction, but to my own. Have you supported ANY of your ideas on socialism in THIS thread? Given any examples? Proof of how or why its better? Forgive me If I've overlooked them, all I can see are opinions though. Anyhow.. to each there own Marmie.
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