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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Well technically speaking I am a socialist (or rather a liberal-ulitilitarian who thinks that socialism provides a better ends than capitalism), and I don't think it would be that difficult to implement a few socialist-esq laws that help control the economy.
    I'm a fan of the fire department and post office, among other things.

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    Not a good idea... I live in a very working class area which has a nice quantity of illegal immigrants who are paid in cash under the table and are therefore not subject to minimum wage laws which kind of gives a scary view of what life without minimum wage. I've seen several generations of a family living in a small apartment with no personal space for anyone and no properly fitting clothing for the kids or medical or dental care... Thats not a life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Well technically speaking I am a socialist (or rather a liberal-ulitilitarian who thinks that socialism provides a better ends than capitalism), and I don't think it would be that difficult to implement a few socialist-esq laws that help control the economy.
    If Socialism can work... it would probably fix all of the things that are wrong with the country right now. If it can't, it will probably destroy what's left of it.

    A bold move... hmm. Maybe you should make a thread asking people what they think of Socialism? That would be interesting to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Seriously? In the fifteen years since I've been doing those jobs the kids are now charging that much??
    Yeah. definitely.

    And it's not even like WE spoil them, we really don't.

    It's their grandparents and the rest of the family, coupled with the Internet and all the resources/entertanment there that you can find cheap, that they manage to be perfectly content without feeling the need to get extra money, that drives the complacency.

    Well I say we just put all the kids in their own houses and then they can figure out how they're going to survive. Athenian can go with them!
    I can't wait to see what happens when 15 people have to get up for their minimum-wage jobs at once and have to fight over who gets in the bathroom first.
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    I don't think that eliminating the minimum wage would accomplish anything significant for our national economy. Honestly, nobody who really contributes value to the economy is making anywhere close to minimum. Even a burger-flipper at a fast-food place will be paid more than minimum if he or she can demonstrate basic ability to accept training, stay on task, and show up for work on time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Not a good idea... I live in a very working class area which has a nice quantity of illegal immigrants who are paid in cash under the table and are therefore not subject to minimum wage laws which kind of gives a scary view of what life without minimum wage. I've seen several generations of a family living in a small apartment with no personal space for anyone and no properly fitting clothing for the kids or medical or dental care... Thats not a life...
    I didn't want to bring up that point, actually.

    But yes, businesses ARE hiring illegal immigrants and paying them under the table. Which means that they're the only ones who can get those jobs, essentially.

    And it raises an important question... why do we deserve to be paid more than them? Do we work that much harder? Or are we just inherently too good to have to do the kind of jobs they do? That seems to be the message people are sending...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    And it raises an important question... why do we deserve to be paid more than them? Do we work that much harder? Or are we just inherently too good to have to do the kind of jobs they do?
    Well, the trivial answer is "because we're willing to obey the law."

    My industry does not hire illegals. You're not allowed in the building without proper documentation, even as a contractor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Also, I think people should be paid according to what they 'pay' (contribute) to the universe, whether the person has a degree or not. Yes, a lot more idealistic than how the world really is.... but it isn't totally about degrees either. Some of it is about doing the job at hand.
    Whoah, this begs the question of how one quantifies human life as it relates to contribution to society. Did Mother Teresa really contribute more than she harmed?

    As far as minimum wage is concerned, firstly underage employees don't make the same minimum wages as adults. But overall, I sit ambivalent on this topic considering the dark side of human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Whoah, this begs the question of how one quantifies human life as it relates to contribution to society. Did Mother Teresa really contribute more than she harmed?

    As far as minimum wage is concerned, firstly underage employees don't make the same minimum wages as adults. But overall, I sit ambivalent on this topic considering the dark side of human nature.
    Exactly what I thought when I read the title. There will be employers that WILL take as much advantage of it as possible.
    I'm a little torn....I don't like employers having that advantage, but then I think of the agreement between the two parties. There ARE people looking for jobs, of any sort, of any pay, so long as its enough for them to barely live on...

    If both parties agree on $3/hr, (compared to the $7.5/hr min now), then that IS what the employee agreed on... :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    then I think of the agreement between the two parties. There ARE people looking for jobs, of any sort, of any pay, so long as its enough for them to barely live on...

    If both parties agree on $3/hr, (compared to the $7.5/hr min now), then that IS what the employee agreed on... :/
    Yep, that's exactly where I'm coming from. If I want to work for next to nothing... why should I be told that I can't?

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