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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    And why not? As far as I'm concerned mego corporations that have vast amounts of wealth like McDonalds, Target, Wal-Mart, Jack-In-The-Box, etc. can easily afford to pay their workers more, thus the minimum that they pay should naturally be higher (especially for the god awful busy work that one has to do in those places).

    And I mean sure, Americans could definitely be more responsible with how they spend money, there are far too many people who carelessly by consumer products out to kazzo without goo reason. But that doesn't mean wages should be so low that I sturggle just to have a minor living accomidation while vast amounts of wealth go to make the rich richer.
    Yeah, but don't you think that if the minimum wage goes up, they'll try to trim to skeleton crews, and increase standards in order to weed out applicants? Maybe even require an associates degree to get the job, or something.

    It doesn't matter if they have the money to pay it... they'll do everything in their power to avoid paying more people than they have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Get on your horse and ride.
    Those people all died before 1970, AND they had really creative ideas. They weren't peons looking for work in the 2010's.

    The education requirements for jobs have risen a lot since then.

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    Originally posted by Athenian200
    Yeah, but don't you think that if the minimum wage goes up, they'll try to trim to skeleton crews, and increase standards in order to weed out applicants? Maybe even require an associates degree to get the job, or something.
    Easy, have laws forcing McDonalds not to resort to those increased standards of hiring applicants. We have a government, they can control how businesses may operate.

    It doesn't matter if they have the money to pay it... they'll do everything in their power to avoid paying more people than they have to.
    The we'll just have to think of creative ways to prevent McDonalds from winning out like that; the primary concer of the country is to secure basic living standards and need for the common people, not give mega-corps freedom to do what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Easy, have laws forcing McDonalds not to resort to those increased standards of hiring applicants. We have a government, they can control how businesses may operate.

    The we'll just have to think of creative ways to prevent McDonalds from winning out like that; the primary concer of the country is to secure basic living standards and need for the common people, not give mega-corps freedom to do what they want.
    So, you're proposing that we create laws saying that businesses that make X amount of money MUST hire Y amount of people? And use Z standards? Interesting idea... although it seems to be moving close to socialism.

    It might work under those circumstances, but we would have to basically implement a socialist government and get rid of our current system. I'm not sure if people would go for that. Then again, they're not going for my idea either, so...

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    Most developed nations tend to move towards socialism

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    are you kidding me?! working minmum wage does not get a comfortable life style, it allows you to just be able to pay rent in a shitty ass apartment and maybe eat.if you're lucky to find room mates you might be able to move to a better part of town. But my room mate makes 800 a month working 40 hours a week 525 of that automatically goes to rent. He works his ass off and what does he have to show? 275 for food and going out a month, 275 at least not in chicago is a ton of money. you can survive on it, but he couldnt afford a place by himself here in this city, unless he wants to go to the ghetto or live in a slum house yeah so it's not like minimum wage=royal life style minimum wage=minimalist surival.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Those people all died before 1970, AND they had really creative ideas. They weren't peons looking for work in the 2010's.

    The education requirements for jobs have risen a lot since then.
    You missed the forest.

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    I'm afraid the issue is being kind of oversimplified here, so I'm going to add another oversimplifcation to clarify...

    The big companies aren't going to give more money to the employees until more money is going into the company. Once the economy is out of the hole, more people will get to have jobs that they can live independently upon. We don't need to start lowering the wage so that more people can work but we all have to give up more comfort and survival stuff. It doesn't really solve much.

    Also, I think people should be paid according to what they 'pay' (contribute) to the universe, whether the person has a degree or not. Yes, a lot more idealistic than how the world really is.... but it isn't totally about degrees either. Some of it is about doing the job at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You missed the forest.
    I have a feeling I do that a lot...

    Just letting you know... anything you think about me? Is probably correct. I hate to admit it, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    I'm afraid the issue is being kind of oversimplified here, so I'm going to add another oversimplifcation to clarify...

    The big companies aren't going to give more money to the employees until more money is going into the company. Once the economy is out of the hole, more people will get to have jobs that they can live independently upon. We don't need to start lowering the wage so that more people can work but we all have to give up more comfort and survival stuff. It doesn't really solve much.

    Also, I think people should be paid according to what they 'pay' (contribute) to the universe, whether the person has a degree or not. Yes, a lot more idealistic than how the world really is.... but it isn't totally about degrees either. Some of it is about doing the job at hand.
    Well, your logic is sound if you presume that the economy is going to come back up to what it used to be, rather than staying where it is now or getting worse.

    I guess I'm making the assumption that it won't...

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    Originally posted by Athenian200
    So, you're proposing that we create laws saying that businesses that make X amount of money MUST hire Y amount of people? And use Z standards? Interesting idea... although it seems to be moving close to socialism.

    It might work under those circumstances, but we would have to basically implement a socialist government and get rid of our current system. I'm not sure if people would go for that. Then again, they're not going for my idea either, so...
    Well technically speaking I am a socialist (or rather a liberal-ulitilitarian who thinks that socialism provides a better ends than capitalism), and I don't think it would be that difficult to implement a few socialist-esq laws that help control the economy.

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