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    I think it's telling that Walker et al. saw the elimination of collective bargaining as far more important than actually solving the budget issues. And no, this does nothing to balance the current budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    In a deflationary environment, yes. In an inflationary environment, not so much.
    Do you have knowledge about the calculations themselves and why market fluctuation wasn't and isn't factored into the calculation?

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I think it's telling that Walker et al. saw the elimination of collective bargaining as far more important than actually solving the budget issues. And no, this does nothing to balance the current budget.
    In other words, they went after a huge source of the problem and acted to prevent the same thing from occurring in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Not smart.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    In other words, they went after a huge source of the problem and acted to prevent the same thing from occurring in the future.
    Not really. This is only going to make WI the LEAST attractive state to work in. Basically, if you have a choice between union representation and no representation, you're going to go with the union representation, even if you hate unions. To eliminate unions altogether is a 100 year leap backwards into the dark ages, not something a modern nation should seriously consider. I can see why they would want to go after unions, but out of all the ways to balance the budget (which they didn't), this is probably the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    People love collective bargaining
    People are less fond of forced unionization, and employers are none too fond of it in general....once people realize that the 'employers' in this case are the taxpayers, I suspect support will decrease. I'm critical of the lackluster way in which Governor Walker has defended this effort, however; he allowed the opposition (including most of the media, in this case) to control the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Why?
    It will be viewed as a tyrannical move. They've exceeded their authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Not really. This is only going to make WI the LEAST attractive state to work in. Basically, if you have a choice between union representation and no representation, you're going to go with the union representation, even if you hate unions. To eliminate unions altogether is a 100 year leap backwards into the dark ages, not something a modern nation should seriously consider. I can see why they would want to go after unions, but out of all the ways to balance the budget (which they didn't), this is probably the worst.
    Many states already prohibit collective bargaining by public unions, and the bill does not eliminate unions altogether. If weakened unions make states states less attractive to workers, how do you explain the steady migration of workers to the predominately right-to-work Sun Belt states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    It will be viewed as a tyrannical move. They've exceeded their authority.
    It might be viewed as a tyrannical move, but they have not exceeded their authority at all; union regulations are not direct spending bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    It might be viewed as a tyrannical move, but they have't exceeded their authority at all; union regulations are not direct spending bills.
    Can you expand on this and how eliminating worker's rights to bargaining power is within their mandate and legal authority?

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