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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I'm not hear to write an essay on Why Alex Jones Is Wrong for everyone. You can visit his sites for yourself.

    Though I did mention his FEMA death camp theory, which has been thoroughly debunked for years. Glenn Beck initially bought into the conspiracy theory that FEMA is making death camps for US citizens, but eventually, it was even too crazy for Glenn Beck and he denounced it, lol.

    Then Alex Jones went after Glenn Beck and kinda "disowned" him after that, basically because he's not nutty enough.



    Ohh burrnnn lol... Arc is getting personal now. The Politics subforum probably isn't for you, to be honest, you have to remain more detached in arguments here, or they get personal and lame real fast. These are controversial topics here.
    Detached and impersonal?? You mean like your post that I commented on.. that wasn't an opinion??
    Your post was detached objective fact?

    Controversy is my middle name.. I think I'll stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Controversy is my middle name.. I think I'll stay.
    ...not for long. If you try to make things personal in the Politics forum. You have a second middle name too and it's called Drrrrama. lol

    Warns/infracts/bans seem to disproportionally come out of this subforum compared to most of the others, cuz well, it's politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    ...not for long. If you try to make things personal in the Politics forum. You have a second middle name too and it's called Drrrrama. lol

    Warns/infracts/bans seem to disproportionally come out of this subforum compared to most of the others, cuz well, it's politics.
    I like Drama as well.. Obviously..

    I am not quite sure what you are suggesting here AJ.. I have no fear of a ban, in case you haven't noticed. I am confident that I can present my arguments without breaking any forum rules. To be banned for anything else would be completely a subjective move on the admins part.
    When I have broken a rule.. one reminder was all it has taken.

    I am sure that despite my involvement in some rather heated and emotional discussions on here, this is why I have not been banned.
    You cant censor and idea or an observation.. even if it challenges you. Well you can.. but it's a hollow victory and most people are clever enough to see it for what it is.

    So back on topic then AJ..

    You don't like Alex Jones.. That much is clear. Everything else you said.. except something about someone else's radio rating dropping sounded a lot like smear to me. This other person also had nothing to do with this topic.. I mentioned Alex Jones but it was in reference to the topic..

    You came in and started bashing Alex Jones and mentioning some Glenn Beck guy I have never even heard of in a subjectively poor light.. This was not on topic.
    I simply pointed out how you sounded like an extremist political radio host who is doing a great job of spouting rhetoric about another person and their credibility while having none of your own.

    There is nothing like fighting what you find intolerant with intolerance!!!.
    Tell me that isn't a political issue , and I leave your political forum forever ,, deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    You sound much more heated than AJ came off and I don't know enough about Alex Jones to take sides.
    Hmm... well this is serious issue I seem have in this forum, that I do not at all experience in real life.

    People love to hear me talk.. something gets lost when I just, write. I am not sure what I can do about it.

    There is certainly a perception that I am angry. I know I am pretty chill.. so I can't see the breakdown.
    When I am warm I am told I am too vague , when I am direct I am told I am cold or too heated.
    Maybe people should realize that since they can't see feel or pick up any signals from my communication, that whatever emotional response they are having is their own??

    Now I am not sure how you have taken what I have just written.. but I am kind of befuddled and it's earnest.
    I do not feel I have put any other emotion into my words except this.
    I am becoming baffled.

    I know when Intolerance is being fought with more intolerance.. I am dogged and relentless in combating this practice.
    Maybe that is what confuses people??.. I am very direct this way, and my whole point is to make people feel uncomfortable when they do it.. The idea is to make them realize they look like what they say they hate.. It should make them uncomfortable.
    But those feeling are theirs not mine.

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    OH no please.. You are the 1st person who has decided to open a dialogue with me instead of just get caught up in whatever is happening.. You rock.. Please tell me more.. I am eager for the conflicts to end.

    Yes I can see How People can feel accused. I am pointing out flaws in their logic based on their own personal subjectivity. The issue is my inability to tolerate the arrogance I perceive in an opinion being stated as a fact.
    Pointing this out is not met with acceptance very often.
    So I also try to lead by example.. However even if I state I am just expressing an opinion or allowing for the fact I could be totally wrong, I am still met with the same poor manners as before. People still insist their opinion has value while others who do concur are somehow bad people.
    They are ridiculed and ostracized.

    OK.. well I am an INFJ.. Of course I feel morally superior.. It's my nature.. I am not sure why I get in people's faces over it as opposed to getting into self congratulatory sessions with others of my own type.
    Again, in real life I am able to apply much more subtle leverage to these types of situations.
    What can I say?? . the calming affect of my voice is lost.

    As for emotion filled. I am true to my temperament. I feel things as well as think things.. This really does seem to baffle people.
    sometimes I can't find the words or logical explanation. But the feeling is still real and accurate.. Language isn't everything. But it must be more important than I estimate.

    I feel bad.. I don't want to be in conflict.. even with people Online.. It frustrates me when me and people give up on each other.
    There has to be a bridge.. I can normally find one IRL.. it's much more a challenge on here.
    I am sensitive at this point.. It's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Also, sometimes, multiple punctuation marks in written form don't translate well and the "..." makes me think the person is insinuating things that they did bother to write out.
    Yeah. Hmmm interesting. I have not considered this. I know it is incorrect grammar , but it's just kind of stylistic.

    Thank you this might be very useful information

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    I know it's pretty bad to say but many people seem to be fed up with "certain threads" because we tried to open dialogue nicely with a poster but he asserts his opinions/ values as the objective truth even when we provide potential evidence to the contrary, he twists it to fit what he sees to be true. In essence, there is a lot of irony here because we are all getting annoyed about the same thing. I am not sure how to combat it though. I know that's why I have been so heated lately.
    I am going to try to post without the multiple punctuations anymore. Thank you.
    This place is supposed to be my place where I can talk with people who want to think outside the box.
    I guess I become very disappointed when I realize it's almost worse here, if not for sure.
    SO I come across as a moral snob. This is the most useful news of all. Awesome stuff. I would have never thunk it.

    We have also gone way off topic and I expect these posts to be graveyarded

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    Just for the readers who wonder what Red Scorpion and I were talking about (in French), I will try to make a short recap.

    1/ He ackowledged political sympathies for our Far Right Party, the FN. A Party he calls just "slightly more patriotic", than the average when most historians (including Robert Paxton) explain that our FN is rather "neo-fascist".
    RedScorpion then exposed me the so-called media conspiracy against this "honorable" party , and he's still wondering why people who vote Extreme Right are somewhat ostracized (I'd ask you if your Ku Klux Klan really looks "honorable and "slightly more patriotic" than the average? Why are they "ostracized" by the current global media conspiracy, tell me?)...

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    2/ After that, we exchanged point of views about the so-called "facts" he was relating, especially about the French suburbs, the banlieue and Afro-Arab muslim gangs.
    You have to understand that the French context has nothing in common with the American one, despite the analogy RedScorpion wants you to believe. First, the homicide rate in France is twenty times lower than in the US. The "Afro-Arab Muslim" gangs, as he called them, should be responsible of less than 3 or 4 deaths per year in France. It's anecdotal. And I know what I'm talking about, since I've worked plenty of times into those so-called "dangerous" suburbs (landscape urbanism missions), and NEVER felt threatened ever.
    Thus, when RedScorpion describes a situation where "Afro-Arab Muslim" gangs roam free, terrorizing, murdering and killing every inhabitant that would dare to cross their sight... well it's a delirium tremens. Nonsense. And you can even characterize this delirium as a typical "Hate speech" since it is directed against a certain class of French citizens (Afro-Arab ones), and that its goal is to blame them, to make them hated and feared by the people who would then believe this kind of hysterical lies.

    It's RACISM in its purest form.

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    3/ We also talked about Paris and those suburbs. As I told you, I know this city and its agglomeration pretty well. But RedScorpion pretends he knows even better, that he has seen everything, experienced everything, that he knows everything. The issue being that we obviously didn't experienced the same facts. I never witnessed the atrocities he describes that should happened everyday in those "suburbs". All I saw was poorer districts than the average but well, most inhabitants were friendly and OK, when you treat them well, when you smile at them and even when you cross their sights. I never felt threatened in any way, even when I worked there.

    Let me also remind those who read me that I live in a condominium with lots of "Afro-Arab Muslim" neighbours and once again, they never tried to terrorize me in any way. Most of them are nice, sympathetic neighbours.

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    So, what should I think of RedScorpion?
    Well, I think the man is trying to troll Typocentral.

    I don't think he has known 12 women in the past.
    I don't think he's black (it's usually a cheap way to avoid criticism about his own racism).
    I'm even wondering if he's really 21 (he sounds a lot younger, especially in French).
    But I'm sure he's not going out often, and that his knowledge of Paris and its surroundings is pretty limited.

    Lots of so-called INTP are "poseurs", but this one is just a racist misogynous egotistical mythomaniac who is trying to pollute our debates here. His logics are so flawed and so subjective that I'm even wondering if he could ever be a true INTP.

    He's just a troll anyway, so types become irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Just for the readers who wonder what Red Scorpion and I were talking about (in French), I will try to make a short recap.

    1/ He ackowledged political sympathies for our Far Right Party, the FN. A Party he calls just "slightly more patriotic", than the average when most historians (including Robert Paxton) explain that our FN is rather "neo-fascist".
    RedScorpion then exposed me the so-called media conspiracy against this "honorable" party , and he's still wondering why people who vote Extreme Right are somewhat ostracized (I'd ask you if your Ku Klux Klan really looks "honorable and "slightly more patriotic" than the average? Why are they "ostracized" by the current global media conspiracy, tell me?)...

    Pfff KKK, are you serious ?


    From what Wikipedia says :

    In the French presidential election of 2002, Le Pen finished a distant second to Jacques Chirac in a runoff election. From 2002 to 2006, the Front National established itself as the third largest political party in France, after the UMP (Union pour un Mouvement Populaire, formerly RPR), and the socialist party (Parti Socialiste). Internationally, the FN is affiliated with Euronat.

    Although the party describes itself as a national right, populist and souverainist organization, observers in the media describe the party as "far right"[4] or "extreme right".[5][6]

    Ideology : Nationalism, Anti-Globalism, Euroscepticism, Populism, Protectionism
    The "FN" political program dont have the word "race" or "black" or anything racist. I'm still waiting for you to find me something racist in their program btw.




    2/ After that, we exchanged point of views about the so-called "facts" he was relating, especially about the French suburbs, the banlieue and Afro-Arab muslim gangs.
    You have to understand that the French context has nothing in common with the American one, despite the analogy RedScorpion wants you to believe. First, the homicide rate in France is twenty times lower than in the US. The "Afro-Arab Muslim" gangs, as he called them, should be responsible of less than 3 or 4 deaths per year in France. It's anecdotal. And I know what I'm talking about, since I've worked plenty of times into those so-called "dangerous" suburbs (landscape urbanism missions), and NEVER felt threatened ever.
    Thus, when RedScorpion describes a situation where "Afro-Arab Muslim" gangs roam free, terrorizing, murdering and killing every inhabitant that would dare to cross their sight... well it's a delirium tremens. Nonsense. And you can even characterize this delirium as a typical "Hate speech" since it is directed against a certain class of French citizens (Afro-Arab ones), and that its goal is to blame them, to make them hated and feared by the people who would then believe this kind of hysterical lies.

    It's RACISM in its purest form.
    They dont kill everyone like Nazis, but these gangs steal often from people, and get easily in fights for "bad looks".

    3/ We also talked about Paris and those suburbs. As I told you, I know this city and its agglomeration pretty well. But RedScorpion pretends he knows even better, that he has seen everything, experienced everything, that he knows everything. The issue being that we obviously didn't experienced the same facts. I never witnessed the atrocities he describes that should happened everyday in those "suburbs". All I saw was poorer districts than the average but well, most inhabitants were friendly and OK, when you treat them well, when you smile at them and even when you cross their sights. I never felt threatened in any way, even when I worked there.

    Let me also remind those who read me that I live in a condominium with lots of "Afro-Arab Muslim" neighbours and once again, they never tried to terrorize me in any way. Most of them are nice, sympathetic neighbours.
    I didnt say I know "everything", I said I knew quite well Paris.
    And I know most people in "afro-muslim" neigborhood are fine, but I'm just saying that a couple of thugs are shitting the days of the majority.


    So, what should I think of RedScorpion?
    Well, I think the man is trying to troll Typocentral.
    Nope, I'm not trolling.

    I don't think he has known 12 women in the past.
    If that makes you feel better....


    I don't think he's black (it's usually a cheap way to avoid criticism about his own racism).
    Yes I'm black (my parents are from the dom-tom) and no I'm not racist.

    I'm even wondering if he's really 21 (he sounds a lot younger, especially in French).
    Yes I am bro,If you don't wanna believe me, that's your right.

    But I'm sure he's not going out often,
    I have less time now, because I have to work all day (and not just from 9 to 5 like most people), but I used to go out a lot when I was a teenager. But I still enjoy parties and going out. I think you have a stereotyping view of the INTP as a reclusive virgin leftist geek, I'm not any of those.

    and that his knowledge of Paris and its surroundings is pretty limited.
    Lol, wow I know mostly the south, north, center of Paris, got lost numerous times,
    so even if the city is "huge", I know quite well the "trendy" areas.


    Lots of so-called INTP are "poseurs"
    I'm not.

    , but this one is just a racist misogynous egotistical mythomaniac who is trying to pollute our debates here.
    I'm not "racist" "misogynous" "mythomaniac", maybe a little egotistical but that's out INTP's are, very selfish and about themselves.

    His logics are so flawed and so subjective that I'm even wondering if he could ever be a true INTP.
    You gotta accept that people can have different opinions than yours.

    He's just a troll anyway, so types become irrelevant.
    For the 852nd time, no I'm not a troll. I like interesting debates, and some of my right-wing opinions can look pretty much "unique" on a liberal forum, but that's how I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    I like Drama as well.. Obviously..

    I am not quite sure what you are suggesting here AJ.. I have no fear of a ban, in case you haven't noticed. I am confident that I can present my arguments without breaking any forum rules. To be banned for anything else would be completely a subjective move on the admins part.
    When I have broken a rule.. one reminder was all it has taken.
    You've been on the brink of a ban more times than you want to know. We still don't know what to do with you.

    You get emotional and seem to like stirring up drama and if you could just control that you'd become less of a "problem member" that the mod staff has to look over like a kid.

    Red Scorpian, even though people are saying he's a total far right-wing troll (and I'm a Lefty)... I've had a couple arguments/debates with him, and it went fine. He didn't make things personal, like you often do, which often creates problems.

    Disclaimer: I haven't read every argument/debate rS has been in, so maybe he's trolled other members and I missed it. But from what I see he just has some really unpopular opinions, which aren't against the rules.

    If someone is an Alex Jones fan and they can handle me disrespecting Jones, and not get angry and personal, but instead remain reasonable like rS did, and even agree with me on certain points... that takes some restraint.

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