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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Ever gone through undergrad and grad school? You'll know exactly why "liberals" appear to have higher IQs. There's a whole ton of brainwashing going on within these institutions of higher learning.
    Brainwashing? These people had higher IQs as children. Not all liberals have gone to grad school. I was a liberal in high school, and I frequently skipped school though I took advanced classes and tested well, so nobody brainwashed me.

    Even if you think grad school brainwashes people to be liberal, it could be equally argued that church, parents, and communities brainwash people to be conservative - not to mention the questionable nature of the presentation of Fox News.

    People who are more intelligent question things more, not less. If anything, my views became more moderate as an undergraduate, not more liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Brainwashing? These people had higher IQs as children.
    You've completely missed my point which is that higher IQ individuals end up in higher learning institutions which lean towards brainwashing liberal mentality into its students.
    Not all liberals have gone to grad school.
    Thanks goodness for small mercies! At least there was peace, some of the time.
    I was a liberal in high school, and I frequently skipped school though I took advanced classes and tested well, so nobody brainwashed me.
    Do you benefit from the Liberal mentality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    You've completely missed my point which is that higher IQ individuals end up in higher learning institutions which lean towards brainwashing liberal mentality into its students.
    I never experienced brainwashing in college. I did experience a sense of people teaching others to be tolerant. If conservatives are so opposed to tolerances of differences, then yes, I certainly benefit from the liberal mentality to answer your last question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Do you benefit from the Liberal mentality?
    Marm, can you also answer this question.

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    I did. What do you mean 'do I benefit'? Yes, I feel that I benefit from living in a world where people are tolerant and cooperate, and value community and not just finance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Ever gone through undergrad and grad school? You'll know exactly why "liberals" appear to have higher IQs. There's a whole ton of brainwashing going on within these institutions of higher learning.
    Sure there is...and my parents (right wing evangelical Christians) believe that studying physics can turn you into an atheist because physics professors brainwash you with concepts like "logic".
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I think that, in all of society's major institutions there is a process that is described more or less by the Noam Chomsky article at this link.

    Liberal domination of major institutions isn't a function of intelligence, but a function of cultural gatekeeping. Same goes for conservative domination of big businesses.
    Yes! This is my sentiment exactly, but Chomsky put it far better than I could have. One huge problem with most liberals is that they don't realize that they've drunk their own brand of Kool-Aid. Because liberals would resent that they've drunk any Kool-Aid while conservatives seem to relish it. Liberal Kool-Aid is more subtle, but it's still there.
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    Liberal kool-aid isn't subtle at all, IMO. I'm liberal and I very much resent people who make EVERYTHING an issue about race, gender, etc. to a point that it seems ridiculous and comical...there are people who are so afraid to be racist that they become white-hating-whites. There are feminists who are so terrified of very real and oppressive patriarchal behaviors that they take it to an extreme and start hating all men, it seems, even men who don't behave in that manner and have valid complaints themselves.

    Then, you know, that whole crap like "rape jokes aren't funny" and my ENFJ sister is actually made *uncomfortable* by the show Family Guy because she said someone on that show clearly has repressed anger that they're turning into comedy...and I'm like, so what? Doesn't a lot of art, including comedy, begin as negative emotion, and isn't it healthy to channel it into art rather than being violent or a miserable person?

    All that stuff is 'too liberal' to me and it drives me batty. Same with people who see no purpose for guns at all, and don't see the dangers of communism.

    I might talk about how much I hate libertarians and argue with more conservative Republicans, but trust me when I say there are Democrats I avoid.

    My bff also left a particular college town because she couldn't stand the upper-middle-class hypocritical liberal elitism there...and she's a registered Democrat and very liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Ever gone through undergrad and grad school? You'll know exactly why "liberals" appear to have higher IQs. There's a whole ton of brainwashing going on within these institutions of higher learning.
    You know, I'm fully aware that it may be different in the states (or in say, political science degrees), but after going through undergrad and a couple years of grad school, I've pretty much never heard politics mentioned by a prof or by anyone at all associated with the university. Even indirectly. Let alone brainwashing. Why do you say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    You know, I'm fully aware that it may be different in the states (or in say, political science degrees), but after going through undergrad and a couple years of grad school, I've pretty much never heard politics mentioned by a prof or by anyone at all associated with the university. Even indirectly. Let alone brainwashing. Why do you say that?
    I don't think it actually happens, and if it does, it's incredibly rare. Demeaning people with an education is a tactic used by anti-intellectuals.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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