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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I'm a pretty outspoken guy on politics, and I do feel somewhat compelled to say something when people mention libertarianism, because they are often either way off-base or they're used to dealing with the kind of loony "libertarians" often found online. Do you read any other boards, like the Relationships one or anything music-, film-, or education-related. I don't post nearly as often now that I am in grad school and have a semi-serious gf, but it's nice to share ideas.
    Mostly I hang around in vent, but I have started picking back up on the forums again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    In Germany libertarians are a lobby for big business and they basically considere welfare receivers subhuman paracites.
    If you're talking about the FDP, they strike me more as a party that celebrates free enterprise and entrepeneurship as salutary endeavors that are crucial for the maintainence of free societies rather than the practice of morally suspect and rapacious assholes who must be (barely) tolerated in order to get tax money to advance some 'enlightened' social-engineering agenda or (more cynically) exploit/reward political clients without consideration for long-term sustainability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    If you're talking about the FDP, they strike me more as a party that celebrates free enterprise and entrepeneurship as salutary endeavors that are crucial for the maintainence of free societies rather than the practice of morally suspect and rapacious assholes who must be (barely) tolerated in order to get tax money to advance some 'enlightened' social-engineering agenda or (more cynically) exploit/reward political clients without consideration for long-term sustainability.
    ^^ Ya the FDP prolly aint that tough, yet you cant lead a society by only celebrating free enterprise and entrepreneurship, you would know that. When Opel, which is the german GM pendant got in trouble, the FDP said they shall shut their business down. Of course that would be the correct economical approach, but it would have put around 400,000 jobs in danger. That's death to a political economy which Germany is. Well the CDU (conservatives) rushed to help Opel and now are owning it, dunno if that was the right course too, I'ld have prefred if they had broken Opel up and sold it in pieces or tried to form independant companies from the mother company. Still tho there might be better solutions, just quitting the business and letting so many people loose their jobs because economical science says that is kinda ridicoulus. It would create more problems than really solve.

    Then another thing is FDP and social healthcare. The social healthcare model sucks and does always cost more than it does earn. The FDP is producing a power shift to the side of the richer people. They raised healthcare costs for everyone and are categorically excluding people from healthcare to create a 2 class society. Of course an american would say we shall not whine, in America you dont really have any healthcare for that kind. Yet since we have it here now I think completly abandonning it wouldnt be the right way aswell. One could start by taking all expensive unecessary treatments out of healthcare, treatmeants on which no life depends. Those treatmeants then could be for people who could afford them. Of course that wouldnt help a poor guy to get a new plastic hip, but at least the poor guy would still receive a solid basic treatmeant.

    I dunno, the FDP is dangerous. They play the game after their rules and think it is the only and best way. But they dont consider impacts and waves things ripple in the Ocean, they are too blind in my opinion to really be given the lead
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    I think that is almost impossible. The latest stats tell us that half of America pays no federal income tax and nearly half uses food stamps. Don't tell me they are more attracted to the lower taxes, less welfare support conservatives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nharkey View Post
    I think that is almost impossible. The latest stats tell us that half of America pays no federal income tax and nearly half uses food stamps. Don't tell me they are more attracted to the lower taxes, less welfare support conservatives!
    Have you ever seen how highly functioning true social democracies are? I believe that many Western European nations are doing better than the U.S. and even the U.S. was doing better before corporatism took a strangle-hold on true capitalism (circa 1980's).

    The wealthy are also paying lowest taxes ever, but bitching more than ever. There were Republican presidents in the Golden Age of America who taxed the wealthy more than now, under a president supposedly called a "socialist."

    It defies all common sense. This country is going to hell.

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    Oh no... not this one...

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    Regarding the brainwashing discussion on PG 1

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relig...ence#section_1

    Perhaps braincleansing would be a better term
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    *waiting for new research to disprove current*
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    It's about curiosity and open ness. Intelligence --> more curious and accepting of the world at face value and more imagination --> likely to agree with liberal views which stress equality and possibilities

    If its any consolation intelligence also makes people easier cons. Conmen rely on the imagination, openness, and curiosity of marks. no curiosity = No bite.

    Also 21 pages and 1 star? Nice. Someone did not like the thread premise.
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    isnt it obvious that only reason why people vote for conservatives is that they are retarded?
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