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    I finished that article with more questions than answers and a growing sense of dread at how it could be misinterpreted, misused, and misapplied.
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    Knowledge is power. Power corrupts

    Perfectly normal reaction to such a controversial statement.

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    I just read a few days ago: socialists p-ness matches the size of their right leg.

    Isnt that like metaphorical fraud ?
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    This makes sense to me. I have seen and talked with many children, and many liberals, and the IQ of the former seems vastly superior to the IQ of the latter. Thus, it seams reasonable to hypothesis that liberals have higher average IQs as children (higher than their current IQs that is), only to lose a vast majority of it as they age, which in turn predisposes them to liberalism. Conservatives and moderates, alternatively, have lower or the same average IQs as children, and they progress as they age (or at the very least don't get stupider).
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    It's nice how you built in the word "reasonable" after your first sentence
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    Well, I think the point is that an high IQ make you more prone to questions traditionals view of life, and also more to think about society in a "progressive" way, and to be more innovative to challenge weakness of societies and to encourage reform built with reflection. At the same time, I observed that liberals are not the only group who have higher IQ than the average, it is even higher in libertarian circles where the average IQ is around 135. Globally, it seem that people with high IQ are mostly liberals and that conservatives and libertarians are minority. That does'nt mean that liberal are smarter, the meaning is: an high IQ make you easily prone to ask question, but less easily to answer with accuracy. That's all.
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    1. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and education/nurture. There also seems to be a correlation between education (and IQ) and income and finally, there seems to be a correlation between income/social status and political orientation. That might explain at least as much as "intelligence leads to open mindedness"

    2. The average libertarian has an IQ of 135? On what scale and on what test? This would be sensational, given that the entry level for Mensa is around 130 on the Standfort-Binet, which is the equivalent of the top 2% of the respective population, i.e. two standard deviations (Europeans mostly use SD15). How was this calculated? I do not doubt that they have an above average educational background, the question is what caused what (see #1).

    Mensa's only requirement for membership is that one score at or above the 98th percentile on certain standardized IQ or other approved intelligence tests, such as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales. Because different tests are scaled differently, it is not meaningful to compare raw scores between tests, only percentiles. For example, the minimum accepted score on the Stanford-Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148
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    This quote belongs in every single thread about IQ! Not only are online tests often bs, but you have to know what scale is used. Otherwise there is no point in throwing around quotes on unrelated IQs. I don't mean you specifically, Speed Gavroche, and I don't mean to sound harsh. This is just something that has been bothering me about these discussions for a while.

    Something tells me those Hollywood actors with an IQ of a bazillion were probably tested on the Catell, if at all. Sometimes (mainly with historical figures) it's just blind estimates based on observed behavior, in other words, clairvoyance and divination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    1. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and education/nurture. There also seems to be a correlation between education (and IQ) and income and finally, there seems to be a correlation between income/social status and political orientation. That might explain at least as much as "intelligence leads to open mindedness"
    Yeah I understood. I think that Marm probably wanted to sugest that liberals beliefs are more accurate since most part of people with high I.Q are liberals. I think this is wrong.

    2. The average libertarian has an IQ of 135? On what scale and on what test? This would be sensational, given that the entry level for Mensa is around 130 on the Standfort-Binet, which is the equivalent of the top 2% of the respective population, i.e. two standard deviations (Europeans mostly use SD15). How was this calculated? I do not doubt that they have an above average educational background, the question is what caused what (see #1).


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa_International

    This quote belongs in every single thread about IQ! Not only are online tests often bs, but you have to know what scale is used. Otherwise there is no point in throwing around quotes on unrelated IQs. I don't mean you specifically, Speed Gavroche, and I don't mean to sound harsh. This is just something that has been bothering me about these discussions for a while.

    Something tells me those Hollywood actors with an IQ of a bazillion were probably tested on the Catell, if at all. Sometimes (mainly with historical figures) it's just blind estimates based on observed behavior, in other words, clairvoyance and divination.
    Here is a link, for example: http://www.liberaux.org/index.php?showtopic=38374 I know that the scale is not very large but it still representative. But I've never met a libertarian with an IQ lower than 115 personally, and it's not uncommon to find one with an I.Q between 150 and 165. For the social background, most part have a low-middle class background, sometimes working class or wealthier.
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    The thing about conservatives vs liberals in a IQ sense is interesting. For conservatives, there is only one way to live therefore the mind is not challenged and thus doesn't need lots of brain power. In a liberal house, one is exposed to a great many varieties and thus requires more brain power to make sense of these things. The end result is that liberals have higher brain power than conservatives just because they had more practice and exposure. This I think is the root cause.
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