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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I assume you already have executioners.
    This just got me thinking, what a perfect opportunity for an episode of Dirty Jobs. Sure it may be provocative, but wouldn't it be enlightening to get a sanctioned murderer's perspective on crime and punishment?

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    "It's my job. Somebody's gotta execute the law. Just do what needs doin'. Else somebody else's gonna do it, you know."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    The human superorganism must be capable of self-preservation.
    Must?
    This sounds like a moral imperative.
    Where does this "must" come from?


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    Protection from erratic, non-functioning outsiders is merely one of many facets for survival, is it not?
    Yeah, but survival of the fittest isn't really my bag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I assume you already have executioners.
    Right. This is one of the main reasons I've gone from my long held support of a moratorium on the death penalty to simply being against the death penalty in the last few months.
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    It sounds like a moral imperative, however I liken it to a natural phenomenon, one that is prevalent amongst a spectrum of species so wide that I can scarcely even contemplate an organism not attributing similar characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    It sounds like a moral imperative, however I liken it to a natural phenomenon, one that is prevalent amongst a spectrum of species so wide that I can scarcely even contemplate an organism not attributing similar characteristics.
    I fail to see how using purely scientific observation of a phenomenon enables us to make forward looking policy. Because, regardless of what we choose it will be ultimately viewed as being for the survival of the species and whoever survives is the fittest. There is no basis to say this or that species should be the fittest in the future.
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    We could try any policy and see if we like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I merely dislike the air of moral righteousness exhibited in this thread, speaking as though Loughner had indubitably forfeited his right to live by killing a few people.
    Why are you directing this at me? I didn't even say I thought he deserved to die.

    Under what grounds do you believe someone has forfeited their "right to live"?

    P.S. There is no natural "right to live".
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    But there is a natural imperative to die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Why are you directing this at me? I didn't even say I thought he deserved to die.
    You said something of a similar nature.

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    P.S. There is no natural "right to live".
    There are no natural rights.

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    Under what grounds do you believe someone has forfeited their "right to live"?
    I believe it cannot be forfeited. Positive law can bestow such a right and positive law can take it. Yet the thing with positive law is that it is based on nothing more than agreement, acceptance, obedience. So what do we do with people who, through their actions, demonstrate that they do not acknowledge it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    We could try any policy and see if we like it
    Brilliant.

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