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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Lobotomize for low-maintenance labor. Easy money, harsh punishment, no need for society to be labeled murderous by even the staunchest human rights organizations.
    Did you ever consider that perhaps the most important consideration in determining the limits of punishment is not what the punishment does to the wrongdoer, but the impact of the punishment on those that do the punishing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Did you ever consider that perhaps the most important consideration in determining the limits of punishment is not what the punishment does to the wrongdoer, but the impact of the punishment on those that do the punishing?
    We merely have to convince ourselves that this is the moral alternative, above all others, a kind and considerate gesture to a wounded beast. Not cages, not executions, not scorn, but freedom from the impulses that would keep the wrongdoer from functioning in a glorious and moral society. If we believe it, it would work perfectly.

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    Morally, I think some acts are so heinous that an offender deserves to die. Dennis Milller referred to such acts as "reneging on your human race membership dues" (paraphrase). However, I am not a fan of giving the state the power to choose life or death, and mistakes are always made by flawed human beings. This man is also so clearly disturbed that there is no worthwhile punitive value I can find in taking his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    We merely have to convince ourselves that this is the moral alternative, above all others, a kind and considerate gesture to a wounded beast. Not cages, not executions, not scorn, but freedom from the impulses that would keep the wrongdoer from functioning in a glorious and moral society. If we believe it, it would work perfectly.
    Can we believe that?

    Can surgeons come home from performing a lobotomy, kiss their spouse and convince themselves they are a good person?

    Can the slave masters of the lobotomized play catch on the weekend with their children without their job affecting their parental relationship?

    Money is not the only cost to consider.
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    Maybe a bit simplistic but...I think the British had an interesting idea when they populated Australia with prisoners. Of course, in this case it'd have to be a real deserted island, but...I think it's a fair punishment for those truly guilty. If you're not willing to abide by certain rules in a society, then removal from that society without that society caring for you in any way may just be what you need/want. Just you and nature...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Can we believe that?

    Can surgeons come home from performing a lobotomy, kiss their spouse and convince themselves they are a good person?
    As far as I know, Mengele, a man who is responsible for the death of 400,000 people, did not have a bad conscience. He considered himself a scientist and his work important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Can we believe that?

    Can surgeons come home from performing a lobotomy, kiss their spouse and convince themselves they are a good person?

    Can the slave masters of the lobotomized play catch on the weekend with their children without their job affecting their parental relationship?

    Money is not the only cost to consider.
    If we can convince entire nations that wars are just and good, surely we can convince doctors to aid the mentally ill. It isn't difficult at all, I would even volunteer myself to build upon this fantastic and progressive rhetoric, if only to preserve the sanctity of life.

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    If he is legally fit to stand trial, he can be given the death penalty.

    Personally, I don't really believe death penalty is fairly administered so I oppose its use. Let's give him an abortion instead.

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    I read an article where a friend of Loughner's said that he enjoys lucid dreaming more than living in the real world. If that's true, whatever punishment he receives should keep him from being able to dream.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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