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    Meh. I'll take universal coversage ftw

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    Universal Health Care scares me. I am not sure how old most of you are, however car insurance was made from the same mode. When I was a teenager, it was optional, however government made it mandatory the same as Hillary is going to make her health coverage. Obama continues to argue that point, however as usual no one listens until it's too late.

    That's not knocking Hillary, because I see all the candidates have something to offer this year, but she seems resolute about universal health coverage about like G.W. was resolute in getting into Irag to clean up dad's unfinished business. That's just scary.

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    Yeah, Hilary's model seems like it would be more of a protection for the health care industry that it would be a help to citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Universal Health Care scares me. I am not sure how old most of you are, however car insurance was made from the same mode. When I was a teenager, it was optional, however government made it mandatory the same as Hillary is going to make her health coverage. Obama continues to argue that point, however as usual no one listens until it's too late.

    That's not knocking Hillary, because I see all the candidates have something to offer this year, but she seems resolute about universal health coverage about like G.W. was resolute in getting into Irag to clean up dad's unfinished business. That's just scary.
    How is it scary? It seems to me like you're trying to compare completely different situations (car insurance, Iraq) to universalized health care. I don't see the connections.

    From a strictly utilitarian standpoint, universalized healthcare makes sense. Will every person be better off? No. But more people will have the care that they lack now.

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    I think we definitely need to do something and I'm not opposed to universal health care. The current system is not acceptable. In a nation as wealthy as this one, medical treatment should be a right, not a luxury.

    I don't know if the stats are still the same, but a few years ago, half of all bankruptcies where a result, not of irresponsible people living beyond their means as fiscal conservatives would have us believe, but of medical bills.

    Becoming seriously ill is devastating enough all on it's own. It's shouldn't carry with it a certainty of financial ruin.
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    There's a problem with our system, but making it 'free' won't help. When something is 'free', the quality goes down. Copying Canada would be a disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    There's a problem with our system, but making it 'free' won't help. When something is 'free', the quality goes down. Copying Canada would be a disaster.
    What about a basic level of care that everyone gets, and then if people choose, they can add to the basic plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    What about a basic level of care that everyone gets, and then if people choose, they can add to the basic plan?
    That sounds nice, but I worry about overloaded emergency rooms. If you only include preventative care and catastrophic injuries/sickness, I can get on board with that. I just worry about people abusing the system with minor issues where they wouldn't normally see a doctor, but do so because it's free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That sounds nice, but I worry about overloaded emergency rooms. If you only include preventative care and catastrophic injuries/sickness, I can get on board with that. I just worry about people abusing the system with minor issues where they wouldn't normally see a doctor, but do so because it's free.
    A lot of times it's the uninsured who use the emergency room for non-emergencies because doctors do not want to see them if they cannot pay, but ERs are required to see them. Emergency rooms are not fun places to be treated. You have to wait forever, they are crowded, and often the staff is in a hurry and not as accommodating as the staff in a doctor's office would be. There are those who would abuse it despite all that, but not that many, I think, especially if they had access to an after hours clinic or something.
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