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    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?

    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as hereos?

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?

    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"?
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    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?
    They have the right as an autonomous unit, but consequences need to be weighed.

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?
    Unlawful avengers should be punished accordingly, if the state has any respect for its policy.

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?
    No. Legislation exists for a reason. Fight for what's right for everyone, not just you.

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    No, only because when it becomes vigilante justice it negates the rules/procedure for "fair" justice. I don't see how a society can be orderly when it allows its citizens to kill whomever they feel has committed a crime against them or a crime that has offended or hurt someone of relation to them. This might have worked back in a more primitive era but not in a place like modern America.

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    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed? Unless clear and fair criteria for permitting vigilante justice were established it should not be allowed.

    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as hereos? IMO, heroes. However, logically they should be punished as not doing so could set a dangerous precedent whereby victims everywhere might start attacking their victimizers (not sure if that is the correct word).

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified? Probably not. Please see first answer.

    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"? Probably not as all three types are motivated by what they perceive to be righteous beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    No, only because when it becomes vigilante justice it negates the rules/procedure for "fair" justice. I don't see how a society can be orderly when it allows its citizens to kill whomever they feel has committed a crime against them or a crime that has offended or hurt someone of relation to them. This might have worked back in a more primitive era but not in a place like modern America.
    Well said!!! That's exactly what I was driving at.

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    I think that taking the law into your own hands can be ethically right if the system has truly failed you. But it's not legally right. Because the state (and by extension your fellow citizens) maintains it has acted fairly, you must have the courage of your convictions and accept any punishment for your actions.

    In other words - it can be morally defensible, but since it's still illegal (and should be), don't bitch when you go to jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?
    No, not unless the government has already collapsed and there's no way for the system to work. If there's a working justice system in place that holds society together for the most part, it should be adhered to. Taking justice into your own hands is actually unjust behavior in and of itself.
    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as hereos?
    Punished. The action was taken without a trial, and now we may never know if they were really guilty, or what the circumstances were. Although I would say that they shouldn't be punished nearly as harshly as someone who murders in cold blood.

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?
    Yes. If the government collapses to the point that the courts/police no longer have the capacity to enforce law to any reasonable degree, then it's justified.
    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"?
    I don't really see how it's related. A freedom fighter wishes to over throw a repressive regime, and a terrorist wants to gain control over a group of people via fear. So freedom fighter vs. terrorist would be most analogous to rebel vs. tyrant in my mind.

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    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?

    People do have the right to take justice into their own hands. However, they will be held accountable for it.

    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as hereos?

    They are killers. What is praiseworthy about killing?

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?

    When you are willing to take the punishment or die for your actions.

    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"?

    The terms are a matter of perspective. Most "freedom fighters" and "terrorists" are willing to die for what they believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?
    In theory, yes, but people taking justice into their own hands seems more prone to iffy effects if not handled properly. Of course, most of us are probably speaking from a system that more or less works, even with its problems, so vigilante justice has a higher standard to live up to to be useful.

    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as heroes?
    This depends overall on how well competing justice systems work. If competing systems work well, than punished, where systems work quite poorly, than it should get less severe punishment, or possibly rewards depending on how competing systems work.

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?
    If other possible justice systems work extremely poorly (It would have to be extremely poorly, though, as otherwise "justice system working poorly" is too easy to fudge for someone's own ends.)

    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"?
    Kind of, kind of not. some of the freedom fighter/terrorist devision is based on enemy vs. friend, but some does seem to be based on what the aims of the group are and who they attack to get those aims done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Do citizens have the right to take justice in their own hands when laws and the court system have obviously failed?

    Should people who avenge the injustices done against others (killing a pedophile for example) be punished or hailed as hereos?

    Are there any circumstances in which vigilante justice is justified?

    Does this type of behavior have anything to do with the difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist"?
    Law is based on agreement only.
    Not on ethics.
    If you do not agree with the law you are free.

    A slave obeys the master. She is not accountable.
    A freeman is in charge.
    Freedom is accountability.

    To arm is to precede the event.
    The revenge takes place after the event.

    Equity corresponds the event.

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