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    That would be murder.
    The victor gets to write the story.

    Disco, I'm telling you, his self-assurance is impenetrable. He would have no problem inflicting a civil war on this country in order to save us from ourselves.
    Indeed it is.

    Luckily I have belief in equal measure.

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    Smile Ideologues and Utilitarians

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    You should elaborate on this. Wouldn't a government have an obligation to conduct itself within the boundaries established by a constitution?
    Sure, but the kind of Constitution that governs our behaviour tells us who we are.

    For instance, we have an administrative Constitution while you have an ideological Constitution.

    So you are ideologues while we are utilitarians.

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    Smile The Talk and the Walk

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    It's easy to talk the talk.

    Much harder to walk the walk.
    We are the only country in the entire world who has supported you in every major conflict in the last one hundred years. So when you are casting around about how to talk the talk and walk the walk, you might take the lead from us.

    We have talked the talk and walked the walk and even better, it's worked and we have had no gun massacres since.

    So write to your member of Congress and ask them to send a delegation to us to find out how to talk the talk and walk the walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We are the only country in the entire world who has supported you in every major conflict in the last one hundred years. So when you are casting around about how to talk the talk and walk the walk, you might take the lead from us.

    We have talked the talk and walked the walk and even better, it's worked and we have had no gun massacres since.

    So write to your member of Congress and ask them to send a delegation to us to find out how to talk the talk and walk the walk.
    Wow, that's a pretty good comeback.

    To the Victor, go the spoils.

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    He certainly knows how to dance the dance.

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    We have talked the talk and walked the walk and even better, it's worked and we have had no gun massacres since.
    That's the price of liberty.

    It doesn't keep me up nights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Sure, but the kind of Constitution that governs our behaviour tells us who we are.

    For instance, we have an administrative Constitution while you have an ideological Constitution.

    So you are ideologues while we are utilitarians.
    I'll admit, our constitution has certainly been elevated to something resembling the divine, but people can change what they create and change what they know. One generation, for example, can do or undo just about anything a previous generation can. It only requires the will to do so.

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    Thomas More’s warning to the hotheaded William Roper in A Man For All Seasons, when Roper accused More of going easy on a scoundrel who hadn’t (yet) broken the law. Roper charged More with wanting to give the Devil the benefit of the law.

    “This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s!” More responded. “And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?”
    One of my favorite exchanges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    That's the price of liberty.

    It doesn't keep me up nights.
    Your parents neither? I hear there were several armed break-ins in their neighborhood.

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    Nope.

    12 ga. buckshot does the trick every time.

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