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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexis View Post
    Im just saying this is how I feel, and my freedom I value more than anything in my life. I value it more than my life itself, cause with out the freedom to make my own decisions and my life what I want it to be. Then I feel their is no point to it, and if there is no fighting against what is takeing my freedom away then I would choose death. And just the same way you say how I dont know what its like to be in that position so I cant truly say what I would do. You cause cant truly say what I would do or feel cause as far as I know mankind has come to be collective mind yet. And you cant know how it is I feel. I do not base my feelings of just whims I base them of my experiences and my experiences show that haveing your freedom tooken away is the most horrible thing that could ever happen. Once again I do not think that slavery is right but not fighting for your freedom is even wronger.
    At first, I totally agreed with this. Then I thought...if I got life in prison would I rather die than live there? I'm not sure. Granted there would probably be no involuntary servitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    If you would not be misunderstood, you must make your message clear to your audience. If you do not care whether or not you are understood, then why bemoan the fact that you are not?
    I agree about the use of symbolism changing and the same goes of language. I made the same comparison during the initial discussion in my film class. But here's how I see it, as long as there are still people that see it as a symbol of heritage and not hate, then it is their duty to enlighten the world about it. Otherwise, the stereotype gets started that all people with confederate flags are racists when they are not. Behold the exception to the (politically correct) rule ! Me! LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    The Nazis were Christian, as were slave owners, so I really don't see how your being Christian helps to paint you as being the fair-minded individual that I believe these 5 FYIs are intended to do.

    Your deliberate choice in words to describe the woman with whom you had a problem, as being "One ugly fat ass white woman", speaks volumes on your true character, which just so happens to contradict the values that you assigned yourself as having.
    First of all, the Nazis were not Christian. Being socialists, they felt that religion would be something more important than the state, so ideally they wanted to do away with religion all together. However, Hitler did believe in the power of religious icons from all religions (such as the Spear of Destiny). He was heavily into the occult as well.So my beliefs as a Christian (The Golden Rule being the basis of the entire philosophy) still stands, thank you very much. Second, as to the woman I argued with, I call her "ugly" and "fat ass" because she was, and I was angry with her. I did not say these things to her face, but rather vented my anger here. If she would have spoken to me in a more civilized tone and not aroused my temper, she would have probably been described as "unattractive" and "heavy-set". Or she probably wouldn't have been described at all. Can you tell me no one does this when they are angry? The description of white is just a description so that we know that it is not a black person. Plus she said she had black kids, so I wanted to point that out so everyone knew who I was talking to. It would have been perceived that she was black otherwise. Since, in my experience, black people are most common to make this an issue, I felt it was relevant all in all. Thanks for your post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    At first, I totally agreed with this. Then I thought...if I got life in prison would I rather die than live there? I'm not sure. Granted there would probably be no involuntary servitude.
    Well I would choose death if it meant life in prison. Yes life in prison is still a life you can live. But its one you will live going through the same routine things day in day out, and you would have no freedom to chose anything in your life again but what manner in which to do those routine things. So of course I would chose death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    It's not the slaves themselves' faults anyways- it's thier leaders' faults- NOBODY in thier right mind would sell themselves into slavery (some did sell themselves into indentured servitude, but that wasn't supposed to be for life- and your descendant's lives)
    I just wanted to point out that there were always free blacks living in America, just very very few, of course. And white people were "slaves" to indentured servitude as well. Thats all! Thanks for the input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I just wanted to point out that there were always free blacks living in America, just very very few, of course. And white people were "slaves" to indentured servitude as well. Thats all! Thanks for the input!
    I'm aware of white indentured servants- I found out a while back that my ancestors had owned the ancestors of someone I'd slept with as an indentured servant- that was both confusing and disturbing!
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    White indenture tended to be different in nature from Black slavery. It was also abolished much earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexis View Post
    There are many records showing that many slaves where happy with their masters. They where given shelter, food, clothing and tooken care of. The number of slaves that where treated badly is actually quite low. Slaves where expensive and you dont just go around killing your best equipment. And many came to think it was fine being as slave, now of course they would like better but what did they do about it? nothing
    There are also records of newly freed slaves going back to their masters to work for wages. They must have not been that bad! Though I know that there were masters that were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadamanthus View Post
    Sure you would. :rolli: It's easy to say something like that, when you don't have to worry about being enslaved, but I'm sure if you were actually in that position, you'd choose slavery over death.
    No...you don't know him like I do. He would die before slavery. Seriously! And so would I!

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    often this was because of lack of available jobs and a fear of the unknown- when there is no property available to own and moving costs are too expensive, sticking with the same job is sometimes the best option

    and I never said that all slave owners were Simon Legrees, I was merely pointing out that owning another human and also the racist abuses that came afterwords are wrong The north was quite racist at the same time with very few rights for African Americans (speaking Civil War times)- the institutionalized racism just lasted longer in the south (note- I come from the northern state with the strongest history of Klan activity, so I'm all too familiar with northern racism )
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