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    Default Does representational democracy have a expiration date?

    Variations on a theme by Lark, does representational democracy have a expiration date?

    Could we transition to a more informatic based political system? Or a more heavily market based system?

    Secondly, how big is too big with regards to a political system? When you are one of three hundred million people, how much is your vote every few years really worth? (between just two parties no less)

    Are more localized political systems more representative? Should there be a trend back towards local governance?

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    Complex question but I've thought about it, to be honest I think that elitism and, for want of a better word, "professionalisation" has overwhelmed democracy, so there's a pretty much dynastic type of rule in most democracies. Local governance wont remedy this "tragedy of the commons".

    So far as representative democracy goes, markets can handle that, they prefer it, its been integrated very well into the pop philosophising of libertarians who pretty much do the market leaders bidding, either deliberately, by design or accidentially. Representation is limited.

    I would suspect that a purely representative political system would prove very unpopular with both voters and taxpayers, who would want the expense of keeping officials in a standard of living which will impress without even the remote possibility that they will be doing anything other than resembling you in some respect, for instance opinion or sports?

    To be honest I favour a much more robust self-government and personal responsibility, whatever happens in the economy will set the tone for everything else though, not least politics. All the different socialist schemes for enterprise which interest me are about socialising management functions back to each and everyone in the workforce, I'd imagine if that could ever be successfully pulled off, not only would the firms in make the one remaining saving there is to make since downsizing was maxed out, there would probably a knock on effect for other spheres of life in which managerialism has become the norm, including politics.

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    Only in a case-by-case or nation-by-nation basis

    The transition is supposed to go

    Aristocracy -> timocracy -> oligarchy -> democracy -> tyranny

    When a democracy is bad, it would mean that the people are bad. When a democracy is good, then the people are good. One would expect that bad people would lead a nation to disaster, so this disaster would probably be the expiration of the democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Aristocracy -> timocracy -> oligarchy -> democracy -> tyranny
    Maybe Plato was trying to be ironic? Checking whether people still had the capacity for independent critical thought in the age of philosophers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    Maybe Plato was trying to be ironic?
    We may never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    Maybe Plato was trying to be ironic? Checking whether people still had the capacity for independent critical thought in the age of philosophers?
    Yeah but didnt Plato believe in oligarchy or philosopher kings? A kind of iron rule of the intellectuals?

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    The idea? No. Some of its actualizations? Most certainly.

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