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    I'm totally against the integration of schools.

    I've felt this way for a very long time and I'm getting increasingly aggrieved by the way in which integration is advocated as a cure all for cuts and cost management in education and schooling in Northern Ireland but also generally in the UK or throughout the world.

    The reality there's nothing about an RC education which is sectarian or polarising, in fact I'd say that a proper RC education incorporating faith and morals would incorporate respect for others without necessarily endorsing/approving/advocating their lifestyles, traditions and beliefs and I think that's something which the world needs to learn actually.

    I dont like the idea that you have to abandon or disown or otherwise drop your own traditions and beliefs in order to tolerate or co-exist with others.

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    Integration as in different religions being welcome to attend orrr?
    The reality there's nothing about an RC education which is sectarian or polarising, in fact I'd say that a proper RC education incorporating faith and morals would incorporate respect for others without necessarily endorsing/approving/advocating their lifestyles, traditions and beliefs and I think that's something which the world needs to learn actually.

    I dont like the idea that you have to abandon or disown or otherwise drop your own traditions and beliefs in order to tolerate or co-exist with others.
    Why do morals have to be taught in schools, which are a place to learn intellectual, concrete things? Why would you need to abandon, disown or drop your beliefs if you go to a school with people from different religions?

    And at forcing everyone to get religious training, particularly in a religion not of their choosing...how bizarre is that. Is that the norm in Ireland? I don't know anything about education over there. I googled Ireland integration and see that apparently schools are mostly run by the church and preferentially admit Catholics, particularly to the better schools? If that's true ....wow.

    Especially since I would imagine that most non-white people, some of them immigrants or otherwise disadvantaged, would be far less likely to be Catholic, and most school-age kids, I'd imagine, would still follow the religion they were born with so you're heavily into actual racial discrimination there, indirect or not.
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    Religion??? Whatever.. Lets get the schools segregated by gender again.. I am not sure how much more evidence we are going to need to understand that males and females are NOT IDENTICAL..

    This is not a moral,political or ethical question.. It has nothing to do with EQUALITY.

    It is a scientific question.. and one that has been answered with proof.
    Men and women learn differently and require a different environment and approach to learning.
    This is because our brains tend to work every differently.

    This is the most crucial issue facing modern society.. men and and women are NOT identical.. we really need to stop pretending they are, in the name of political correctness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Religion??? Whatever.. Lets get the schools segregated by gender again.. I am not sure how much more evidence we are going to need to understand that males and females are NOT IDENTICAL..

    This is not a moral,political or ethical question.. It has nothing to do with EQUALITY.

    It is a scientific question.. and one that has been answered with proof.
    Men and women learn differently and require a different environment and approach to learning.
    This is because our brains tend to work every differently.

    This is the most crucial issue facing modern society.. men and and women are NOT identical.. we really need to stop pretending they are, in the name of political correctness.
    I agree. Not necessarily the most crucial, but yeah.

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    Lark, are the RC schools public schools as well, or are they more of an alternative to public schooling?
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    Why did you put RC, rather than Roman Catholic?

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    I thought it was somewhat standard abbreviation.
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    Clearly a prank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I thought it was somewhat standard abbreviation.
    Maybe in Boston and Ireland?

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    Integration as in different religions being welcome to attend orrr?

    Why do morals have to be taught in schools, which are a place to learn intellectual, concrete things? Why would you need to abandon, disown or drop your beliefs if you go to a school with people from different religions?

    And at forcing everyone to get religious training, particularly in a religion not of their choosing...how bizarre is that. Is that the norm in Ireland? I don't know anything about education over there. I googled Ireland integration and see that apparently schools are mostly run by the church and preferentially admit Catholics, particularly to the better schools? If that's true ....wow.

    Especially since I would imagine that most non-white people, some of them immigrants or otherwise disadvantaged, would be far less likely to be Catholic, and most school-age kids, I'd imagine, would still follow the religion they were born with so you're heavily into actual racial discrimination there, indirect or not.
    Yeah, I hope you're a young liberal because if you arent how did you reach such uninformed opinions?

    Of course I believe that morals should be taught in schools, I also believe that morals are very concrete things too, and I also believe its impossible that morality will not be taught in schools since schools are the major sources of secondary socialisation, families and friends being the source of primary socialisation, the deliberate omission of concrete morality is itself a moral precept. This is like that "beyond good or evil" BS, you dont get beyond either, you're either good, evil or really good or really evil but that's your dichotomy there.

    The disasterous attempts to eschew morality and authority has caused the majority of problems in the world today if you ask me.

    RC education is the norm all over the world in RC communities, its not simply a norm in Ireland and it is not a case of forcing people to receive religious training, you've no idea how absurd that sounds to me, likewise the notion that its possible to refrain from an education in faith and morals until such times that someone can exercise "choice" in the matter, the reality is that, as I've said, if you neglect to develop the understand of faith and morals is not as though development per se doesnt happen, it does, its likely to be something very far removed from what would be desirable and be little more than a mirror of the poorest and rudest qualities of popular culture, pop ideology and whatever underpins the economy and status quo.

    If the schools are better why should that be so? I mean the nightmare you paint of schooling in faith and morals leads me to believe that it would be impossible that the school could perform academically superior to other faith schools or those with no faith component. The final part of your post seals the deal for me and reveals everything about your perspective, you've already passed judgement on RC schools and found them the author of discrimination and injustice. Not much to be said then.

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