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    Default That guy in the bogs...

    Bogs being slang in my neck of the woods for toilets.

    You're in the club or pub and you go to the toilets and there's always that dude, generally a foreigner, has aftershave, deodorants, all kinds of stuff, you go to use the sink and you cant really avoid them and you see them get a mixture of rude treatment, back chat, conversation, tips or whatever.

    What do you all feel about this sort of thing? Just a sort of begging that you cant stand or what? Sometimes I'll start out talking to them and feel affable towards them, well, no more than I would to any stranger or any stranger who has decided to act in a way that's tantamount to doing someone a service. Then I'll find out they're from some part of the globe I hate for some reason, Nigeria, Albania, a real mafia or war torn place. Their presence then bugs me. In either case I know I'm likely intoxicated and couldnt pick them out of a line up or remember them in passing on the street.

    Likewise what do you think about street traders? We met and befriended a guy trading watches and wares in Spain one time, black guy, I suspect a muslim since we bought him a drink once or twice and he was pretty precious about avoiding alcohol, and he told my dad he was from Senegal.

    My dad said he knew the place and the guy appeared annoyed, like he'd heard that a lot and I was worried my dad was in fact about to embarrass himself, randomly my dad did know Senegal because he had been watching TV and the world news was reporting on monsoon rain and storms in the region. The guy was impressed.

    While I knew a few guys who where street traders who where dickheads or part of some racket that guy was alright, it was humbling, considering he went out of his way to get what appeared to be a third hand celtic shirt to wear one evening when calling around (the bar was called the celtic tiger but was randomly also frequented by at least one rangers supporting, orange man and masonic lodge scot).

    I recall as one of my life's moments of "bad faith" my annoyance when the guy turned up the second night we'd met him and said "hot night, hot night", indirectly requesting a drink. I'd gotten annoyed at the presumption, my dad corrected me, reminding me of my comparative advantages and ease, also of the Christian obligations to proffer aid where its requested or obvious (the passages are in Matthew and it actually states about requesting a drink and not receiving it, its the only mention of judgement passed by God and recognising God in all people or as all people). Never forgot that.

    You all got a view or no view?

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    I don't know.

    I'm a Jew so I generally go by the old testament and not everything in the old testament is cool now. I mean, you tend not to give your daughters away to strangers for them to rape instead of your guest. I mean, sure, it's not right for them to rape your guest, either, but you shouldn't let them rape your daughters.
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    So, um, you go out partying with your dad? Hell, my dad is a combination of "father knows best" and Dilbert, so I don't know whether to be thankful of my good fortune or jealous...

    I have no real idea what you're talking about, but then, I'm kinda drunk right now...

    Haphazard just confused me even more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    So, um, you go out partying with your dad? Hell, my dad is a combination of "father knows best" and Dilbert, so I don't know whether to be thankful of my good fortune or jealous...

    I have no real idea what you're talking about, but then, I'm kinda drunk right now...

    Haphazard just confused me even more...
    No.

    That trip to Spain was a family holiday and we joined up with a number of other irish families too in a bar called the Celtic Tiger, its gone now, just like the real thing ironically but that should explain that part of my post.

    My point was about street traders and the guys in the toilets of most clubs that I go to now who are there with aftershave and stuff, both are examples in a way of something that almost borders on begging rather than business, both appear to be pretty ethnically determined or divided, there's also an element of servility almost. I just wondered if it bothers anyone, if its racist if it does, that kind of thing.

    It did seem a bit like a blog post but I couldnt get the words right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Then I'll find out they're from some part of the globe I hate for some reason, Nigeria, Albania, a real mafia or war torn place. Their presence then bugs me.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Then I'll find out they're from some part of the globe I hate for some reason, Nigeria, Albania, a real mafia or war torn place. Their presence then bugs me.
    -end of thread-

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    I don't know, I wouldn't like to live in a war-torn or mafia-run place either but I can't find it in myself to hate them for it.

    A lot of Somalians do tend to clash with the area they decided to settle in personality-wise, though. Just being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I don't know, I wouldn't like to live in a war-torn or mafia-run place either but I can't find it in myself to hate them for it.

    A lot of Somalians do tend to clash with the area they decided to settle in personality-wise, though. Just being honest.
    That second part is basically what I'm talking about.

    I dont really like things like street trading or aftershave hocking, the first time I saw something like this I thought it was put on by the club but still felt that it smacked of a kind of service that made me uncomfortable as a socialist which is slightly different but I think the idea that you could skip a boat from a mafia state or war zone and fit right in some place else is ludicrous.

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    I meant more along the lines of that Minnesotans tend to have this sort of back-handed politeness/niceness to them. Somalians tend to be blunt and, to a Minnesotan perspective, downright rude.

    What was bizarre though is how a Swedish delegation came to Minneapolis to look at the "thriving, successful Somalian population" here. To most of us, the Somalian areas are slummy, and yet the Swedes had nothing but praise for it. I kind of don't want to think about how they do it in Sweden, and if where you are is similar...
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