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    This is a big deal. Face and confidentiality in the Asian community is very meaningful and considering China's ascendency as a world power and their prior commitment to North Korea, this doesn't bode well. You can bet that there will be some rocky times ahead about speaking candidly or any prenegotiations which is a shame considering how far the U.S. has come from embargoing China, to a cautious "enemies close" stance, to a minor degree of relative cooperation.

    IMO, wikileaks should be shut down.

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    Do you feel that wikileaks is influencing international relations to a degree that we would consider unacceptable by a media organization?

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    I'm honestly torn by the first amendment rights of the freedom of speech and yet, when information of this substantial nature gets leaked to potentially destabilise decades of diplomatic work, particularly during this time of economic instability and globalisation, it's beyond discomfitting.

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    It shouldn't be discomforting. It should be a testament to the power of information in the modern age. To think that such shabby relations could be maintained with false sentiments is almost maliciously naive, it certainly doesn't put the diplomats in a particularly flattering light. If all it takes to destabilize and reshape these relationships is transparency in our interactions, then we really should fear the truth, I suppose.

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    It is naive to believe that every diplomat or person they work with, would like every other diplomat or person they work with. That they can work together beyond the dislike or mistrust to accomplish whatever they need to do, is sufficient. But I will say that putting some of this in writing shouldn't have happened. So in future, what wikileaks has accomplished is that little will be put into writing which threatens the possibility of accountability within the Department or government. One handed clap for wikileaks.

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    Do people really think that diplomacy can function effectively without candid assessments and confidentiality? Or do they think diplomacy itself is unnecessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    So in future, what wikileaks has accomplished is that little will be put into writing which threatens the possibility of accountability within the Department or government.
    Yeah, unintended consequences are a bitch.

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    I was about to download the file 3 days ago. Had second thoughts. I may see to it when the accessibility becomes easier for if the file is encrypted it wouldn't look too easy to breeze my way into what the files contain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    It is naive to believe that every diplomat or person they work with, would like every other diplomat or person they work with. That they can work together beyond the dislike or mistrust to accomplish whatever they need to do, is sufficient. But I will say that putting some of this in writing shouldn't have happened. So in future, what wikileaks has accomplished is that little will be put into writing which threatens the possibility of accountability within the Department or government. One handed clap for wikileaks.
    If this was all about diplomats not liking eachother, they lack a lot of professionalism. I think its beyond that. This is assessments of world leaders that are constructive and descriptions needed for the US government to get the best deals with said leaders. And its not like the assessments comes as a shock. They are pretty accurate in most cases.

    The only person that openly went out against the assessments was Silvio Berlusconi. But hes the most untrustworthy european stateleader and one of the biggest populistic politicians out there.

    These are not the most interesting leaks. Its more interesting to read about the secret deals done with countries and the bullying of countries to do the bid of the US government. Did we know they happened? Yes, but now we have the evidence. That is whats interesting, not the specifics. This hopefully leads to more transparency in deals with other countries. Not just in the US but across the western world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowriot View Post
    If this was all about diplomats not liking eachother, they lack a lot of professionalism. I think its beyond that. This is assessments of world leaders that are constructive and descriptions needed for the US government to get the best deals with said leaders. And its not like the assessments comes as a shock. They are pretty accurate in most cases.

    The only person that openly went out against the assessments was Silvio Berlusconi. But hes the most untrustworthy european stateleader and one of the biggest populistic politicians out there.

    These are not the most interesting leaks. Its more interesting to read about the secret deals done with countries and the bullying of countries to do the bid of the US government. Did we know they happened? Yes, but now we have the evidence. That is whats interesting, not the specifics. This hopefully leads to more transparency in deals with other countries. Not just in the US but across the western world.
    You can bet this won't lead to more transparency. Just greater lockdown on information, as well as little to nothing in writing or recorded in any way. He said, she said, doesn't bear much weight when it comes to accountability.

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