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    I remember reading about this story, but I also specifically remember reading that the "fall" was part of his act (many students may remember Bill Nye as a particularly zany, erratic, and humorous individual). Is there any truth to this? Or should we instead become outraged over something that is actually quite predictable (bystander effect, etc.)?

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    No, he was having a real medical situation, as the same thing had happened to him earlier in the day and at other times in the past, so he had to go seek medical attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    I remember reading about this story, but I also specifically remember reading that the "fall" was part of his act (many students may remember Bill Nye as a particularly zany, erratic, and humorous individual). Is there any truth to this? Or should we instead become outraged over something that is actually quite predictable (bystander effect, etc.)?
    Considering, I would have thought that too.

    This is the danger of having a character. Bill Nye might have fallen because he was "zany," that guy on the Boondocks singing about getting shot actually got shot and nobody believes him. In fact, this halloween, somebody around here was stabbed six times while he was dressed as a zombie, and everyone was drunk and thought it was just a part of his costume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    I remember reading about this story, but I also specifically remember reading that the "fall" was part of his act (many students may remember Bill Nye as a particularly zany, erratic, and humorous individual). Is there any truth to this? Or should we instead become outraged over something that is actually quite predictable (bystander effect, etc.)?
    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Considering, I would have thought that too.

    This is the danger of having a character. Bill Nye might have fallen because he was "zany," that guy on the Boondocks singing about getting shot actually got shot and nobody believes him. In fact, this halloween, somebody around here was stabbed six times while he was dressed as a zombie, and everyone was drunk and thought it was just a part of his costume.
    Well I was at a play where there was some water involved in the 1st act and the lead actor slipped in some of the water and got his foot stuck under something and he was screaming in pain. No one did anything for a significant period of time, since the other actors thought he was improvising. It turned out that he broke his foot and they cancelled the show. So yes, some things can be staged or look staged.

    But somethings can be staged to prove something. And if that was the case here, it probably proved his point.

    Using the bystander effect has its purpose if noone did act. But the people twittering it did act, for egocentric purposes.

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    Almost all of us are hypnotised by context. This is because we focus on the content and so the context becomes invisible but directs our very actions.

    For instance, the context of the moonshot was television but all we focused on was the moon and the first footstep and the first words, which we all remember. But then the TV camera was turned around and we beheld the Earth for the first time and discovered the Environment. And we have been obsessing about the Environment ever since, when in fact the Environment is simply the content of television. And so television remains invisible and directs our actions like a puppet master.

    And in exactly the same way, Twitter is our puppet master today.

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    IMO seeing someone collapse on stage is different from seeing someone bleeding on the street. At events like this there is usually an event organizer or stage manager or at the very least someone in a soundbooth. This person is responsible for getting help for the person in trouble. A victim on the street is just a victim on the street though. There is no one designated to make decisions in this case, so anyone could (and should) assist.
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    Guys I'll be honest with you all, my survivalist instincts kick in at times like that and if it looks like people are going to get stupid and herd like I'll bail on the scene, I might be socialist but I'm not unwary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Guys I'll be honest with you all, my survivalist instincts kick in at times like that and if it looks like people are going to get stupid and herd like I'll bail on the scene, I might be socialist but I'm not unwary.
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    I don't think this is the same as the Kitty Genovese case or the 'bystander effect'. Those people did nothing (except for 1 neighbor who yelled at some point "leave her alone"). These people are doing something - commenting on the fact that they are watching or else 'documenting' it. It's not that they are so scared or bewildered that they do nothing, they are in fact excited by what they see enough to share it with people online. They just don't necessarily give a fuck about whoever they're texting about.

    The kinda vulture like response is similar to what I think a lot of photo/journalism has currents of, same kind of narcissism and feelings that you are superior to the people you are snapping photos of and your objective is not to help the people just share what's going on so everyone can comment on it and you can get the scoop. Except these aren't real journalists, they're folks with facebook accounts or access to YouTube or at best, a blogger. I think what technology in the first world (let's say US) has done in addition to evening the playing field of 'truth and storytelling' is given everyone a little bit of the chance to imitate the 'big leagues' and be a jerk. If you just watched people might say "you should have done something" but if you snap a photo from your seat and Twitter about it or upload it to YouTube or FaceBook, well, you DID do something.

    Instead of humanizing things, technology is turning the world into a giant series of YouTube clips. Or rather, the people using technology. Or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    IMO seeing someone collapse on stage is different from seeing someone bleeding on the street. At events like this there is usually an event organizer or stage manager or at the very least someone in a soundbooth. This person is responsible for getting help for the person in trouble. A victim on the street is just a victim on the street though. There is no one designated to make decisions in this case, so anyone could (and should) assist.
    Exactly. Many times in an emergency situation people are told to take roles -- one person is told to call 911, another person is told to get towels, another is told to block the area, etc. This is because if somebody knows that they have a role to do they can focus on that role to get it done, whereas an amorphous blob of people will have no direction -- either everyone will be scrambling to call 911 or will assume that somebody else will do it, and thus no one will.

    In the position of a "student," one is pretty much neutered of all power. If you have been a student recently, you know this. However, being powerless generally means a lessened sense of responsibility. The students, being powerless in their school, would have assumed that an event director or someone would take care of it because they're not supposed to touch or interact with (and therefore help) the guest. What is the next logical step, then if you can't help and are effectively powerless? Tell everyone.

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