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    The Basal Ganglia is our hero when we call him and a villain of cirsumstance whenever it fails to produce a positive result. That's all that story says to me, same with the Kitty case. Read Levitt's latest book you so called NTs!!!

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    How many kids were texting and tweeting before he collapsed though? If the answer is, "most of them," as it probably was, they may have just been orchestra students. It's drilled into orchestra students to press on no matter what happens to the teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    How many kids were texting and tweeting before he collapsed though? If the answer is, "most of them," as it probably was, they may have just been orchestra students. It's drilled into orchestra students to press on no matter what happens to the teacher.
    If they were orchestra students, they wouldn't have had free hands to text.

    You're only supposed to press on when you're playing something.
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    Still it's kind of a mass phenomena that everyone agrees later on the behaviour of the people was totally unacceptable but this collaborative patting on the back in agreement in a thread I find a bit facile. The real question should be in my opinion, why did the people at all had the motivation to twitter such an event right away and why did so many of them had this attitude. Of course it's shocking that this happened but if you want to understand this, you really have to consider the framework of social media and what it turns people into.

    I dont find this article shocking, because it is a reflection in the real world of an ongoing fundamental psychological problem. I find the fact that nobody helped him, not as disturbing as the fact that everybody had to tell everybody right away. It is as if you could flood people's mind in an instant and bring them to think about the thing you want by just inducing enough action, sensation and shock in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    There are lots of problems with the Kitty Genovese story, as documented on wiki and on this site, in terms of the facts and how it was presented (although the Bystander Effect is very real).

    I found Barre's death described in the article above far more disturbing -- because it was clear that people knew and saw what happened and were RIGHT THERE, as opposed to the Genovese thing... yet immediately had to record the event for posterity instead of being overwhelmed by it or engaging the situation.
    Yes, I agree. The Bystander Effect is very real, but the Kitty Genovese story is likely not an example of it.

    A lot of people likely suffer and die as a result of this and similar effects, yet I can't figure out anyway to reduce it. The typical way is to command a specific individual to help, but that assumes either the victim has the strength and coherency to do so, or that someone else is unaffected by the bystander effect in the first place (e.g. a first aider). Perhaps education could do it, but I'm just engaging in wild speculation at this point.

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    With the Bill Nye case, how formal was the occasion and what was security like? If the mentality of students was that they were spectators and not meant to approach a TV personality, it is somewhat understandable that they left it to someone else (eg. security) to help him. A little like if Bono hit his head at a U2 concert, you'd probably think twice about jumping on stage and checking if he was okay. In that case after feeling no duty they may have looked to twitter it to serve themselves or spread news or fill time or whatever. I'm sure lots of people had a laugh when George W Bush tripped even though he isn't that young.

    I'm not saying I agree with no one helping or think it is a good thing, just saying there could be other factors in play rather than mass sociopathy. Whatever the reason I think the attitudes need to change though.
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    I dont use Twitter, created an account ages ago but never really knew how it worked and dont use it.

    I kind of think this is more evidence of the age of absurdity, people are spectators, reports and actors now, they nearly dont experience things first hand anymore but retrospectively, ie watching the film, pics or text they captured from an event, and that's absurd.

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    I think it's hilarious.

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