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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    That isn't true if you look back through the entirety of the parties' histories. You're using a careless and dangerous mental shorthand.
    If that's so true and you're so sure of it, then why don't you prove it?




    Who said anything about Reagnomics?
    I think the concept of Reganomics is exceedingly important when talking about the current Republican party, as is the fact that their party has been largely hi-jacked by Fundamentalist Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    If that's so true and you're so sure of it, then why don't you prove it?
    Didn't I just provide one example of historical continuity with the Big Business example? What about Prohibition? Was that "liberal" or "conservative?" Or the Progressive Era? You had Progressives of both parties. Strom Thurmond was a Democrat in the 1940s, at the height of the New Deal Consensus. I swear, sometimes you sound like the most boiled-down middle school textbook when it comes to politics and history.


    I think the concept of Reganomics is exceedingly important when talking about the current Republican party, as is the fact that their party has been largely hi-jacked by Fundamentalist Christians.
    The fundies are losing strength in the GOP relative to their prominence in the 1980s and 1990s. The Bush-era neocons were less concerned with domestic social conservatism, and the new Tea Partiers are more motivated by fiscal issues. Still, I don't see how Reagan-era fiscal and monetary policy has to do with my statements that the parties' histories are more complex.
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    During the New Deal and up til the late 60's-70ish, the Democrats were the more socially conservative party. Indeed much of the Left during this period was far more socially conservative. After all, "there's no sex in the Soviet Union."

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    http://www.livescience.com/health/08...l-seniors.html

    "Busting Myth, People Turn More Liberal With Age"

    Borrowed from the "Why you should vote yes on prop 19" thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Hehe, yeah. Saw that conflict coming, but it will surely be "interesting" to see how that resolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheStarchDefenders View Post
    http://www.livescience.com/health/08...l-seniors.html

    "Busting Myth, People Turn More Liberal With Age"

    Borrowed from the "Why you should vote yes on prop 19" thread
    I think it's more that they grow more nanny state-ish. When people are young, they want the government to protect people, ensure equality, etc. They get more libertarian through their 20s, 30s, and early-40s, while they are working and making their individual lives for themselves. I think they get more concerned about protection and safety nets and "this country is going to Hell" as they get older, since every generation naturally feels that the world is decaying, not improving. It's been going on since the time of the Ancient Greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    During the New Deal and up til the late 60's-70ish, the Democrats were the more socially conservative party. Indeed much of the Left during this period was far more socially conservative. After all, "there's no sex in the Soviet Union."
    Southern Democrats in particular were extremely socially conservative, and Democrats in the South still tend to be more moderate liberals.

    At any rate Peguy, if you say anything about history that isn't the Approved Libertarian Revised Version, Pure Mercury will accuse you of sounding like a middle school Social Studies text book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Southern Democrats in particular were extremely socially conservative, and Democrats in the South still tend to be more moderate liberals.

    At any rate Peguy, if you say anything about history that isn't the Approved Libertarian Revised Version, Pure Mercury will accuse you of sounding like a middle school Social Studies text book.
    I am still waiting for your critique of my points about the history of the two major political parties. I am sure it will be compelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Southern Democrats in particular were extremely socially conservative, and Democrats in the South still tend to be more moderate liberals.
    Well yes of course, but I'm even referring to hard-core socialists and communists during this period. Lenin privately mocked the free love views/activities of many of his fellow Bolsheviks for example. Stalin continued this legacy. The Bader-Meinhof Gang was also kicked out of Palestinian training camps for practicing nudism. The concept of "fucking and fighting are the same thing" was thoroughly rejected. There was that general cultural clash between the Old and New Lefts.

    At any rate Peguy, if you say anything about history that isn't the Approved Libertarian Revised Version, Pure Mercury will accuse you of sounding like a middle school Social Studies text book.
    Well for right now that's an issue between you and him. I'm content to just add pieces of information where needed to help further the discussion along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am still waiting for your critique of my points about the history of the two major political parties. I am sure it will be compelling.
    Well first of all bro, the original Democratic party more closely resembled your Libertarian friends with their worship of the Constitution, fear of a national bank, adherence to the gold standard, and crusades against high taxes...not to mention their defense of "free enterprise"...er... I mean SLAVERY.

    Democrats have been considered "liberal" since the 1890's but didn't represent Civil Rights until the 1940's and were actually largely socially conservative, so socially conservative in fact that the "Solid South" lost many of their Democrats to the Republicans as the two parties changed.

    Prohibition was neither a Democrat nor a Republican issue, nor was Progressivism. That doesn't change the fact that the Republican and Democratic parties have both changed considerably over the course of this nation's history.

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