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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You say this as if it negates their existence in the "real" world.
    It confirms their malleability.
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    This is one of those times that I'm glad that I have trained myself in both the diplomatic and "mighty" approaches.

    Diplomacy tastes much sweeter than dominance.

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    It confirms their malleability.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    How so?
    Well, if rights are just a societal construction, then society can mold them as it sees fit. Natural rights theorists tend to see rights as fixed and unchanging, and somehow holy.
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    Well, if rights are just a societal construction, then society can mold them as it sees fit. Natural rights theorists tend to see rights as fixed and unchanging, and somehow holy.
    I hate having to repeat myself.

    If they can't be nailed down, it is because of the lacking abilities of men's tongues to describe them, not a lack of their existence, or even their specificity.

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    If they can't be nailed down, it is because of the lacking abilities of men's tongues to describe them, not a lack of their existence, or even their specificity.
    This implies that rights exist outside of the consciousness of man, contradicting your apparent agreement with me that rights are constructed by society.

    If they exist without being elucidated, then we go back to my original question: Where do they come from? And given that they are not enforceable unless society accepts them and chooses to enforce them, why should I care?
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    Because society does choose to enforce them.

    Did you seriously just ask that question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Because society does choose to enforce them.
    Which brings us back full circle. I therefore only care about rights that society does enforce, and rights that society, for practical reasons, ought to enforce. Arbitrary conceptions of natural rights have no meaning to me.
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    Enjoy your blinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Enjoy your blinders.
    Enjoy yours. you're a bloody Te-dominant, you ought to know that practical benefit is all that really matters.
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