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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    "Rights" that depend on the government to grant them or not at will are not rights at all.
    Like government enforced property rights?

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    I consider myself at the core a moderate Libertarian.

    Why do the terms Libertarian and Moderate have to be mutually exclusive?

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    Really? So, what other logical explanation do you have for the existence of rights?
    The civilization of man...

    What do you think distinguishes us from the beasts except for the mutual respect we hope to accord one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The civilization of man you idiot...

    What do you think distinguishes us from the beasts except for the mutual respect we hope to accord one another.
    Is that a reply to me?

    If so, that's not an answer. I didn't state, or imply, that rights are negative. Simply that they are fictional, like legal persons are. As such they are not set in stone, and society is free to choose rights on basis of perceived practical benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Like government enforced property rights?
    The government is there to protect the rights you already have, not to determine which rights you are lucky enough to enjoy. Private property is a right regardless of the efficacy of the government protection in that jurisdiction. Not a tremendously difficult concept.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I consider myself at the core a moderate Libertarian.

    Why do the terms Libertarian and Moderate have to be mutually exclusive?
    They aren't.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    If so, that's not an answer. I didn't state, or imply, that rights are negative. Simply that they are fictional, like legal persons are. As such they are not set in stone, and society is free to choose rights on basis of perceived practical benefits.
    If they can't be nailed down, it is because of the lacking abilities of men's tongues to describe them, not a lack of their existence, or even their specificity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I consider myself at the core a moderate Libertarian.

    Why do the terms Libertarian and Moderate have to be mutually exclusive?
    Because like communism, it's not a moderate ideology.

    I mean, you can call yourself a moderate Libertarian, but it's a minarchist philosophy. It would be more accurate to say center-right. I bet you're not even that far off from a fiscal conservative Blue Dog Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The government is there to protect the rights you already have, not to determine which rights you are lucky enough to enjoy. Private property is a right regardless of the efficacy of the government protection in that jurisdiction. Not a tremendously difficult concept.
    Who says what rights we already have? Where did they come from, our creator, like the Constitution says?

    Or is it one of many concepts we simply created, that sound really nice.

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