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    With early voting occurring in many states, stories of malfunctioning voting machines are beginning to come to light, raising suspicions of voter fraud. Local election officials are ascribing the incidents to technical faults or voter error.
    Some voting machines in Nevada are showing up with Senator Harry Reid's name already checked.
    "Voter Joyce Ferrara said when they went to vote for Republican Sharron Angle, her Democratic opponent; Sen. Harry Reid's name was already checked.
    "Ferrara said she wasn't alone in her voting experience. She said her husband and several others voting at the same time all had the same thing happen."
    In North Carolina, an incident was reported in which a voter tried to vote a straight Republican ticket and instead the voting machine indicated that a straight Democratic ticket was voted.
    "Sam Laughinghouse of New Bern said he pushed the button to vote Republican in all races, but the voting machine screen displayed a ballot with all Democrats checked. He cleared the screen and tried again with the same result, he said. Then he asked for and received help from election staff.
    "'They pushed it twice and the same thing happened,' Laughinghouse said.'That was four times in a row. The fifth time they pushed it and the Republicans came up and I voted.'"
    With an important, possibly history-making election drawing nigh, the idea of voter fraud is being raised on talk radio and other venues. The fact that the current president learned politics in the rough and tumble atmosphere of Chicago, a place known for ballot manipulation, does not exactly assuage suspicions.
    Still, these instances can be ascribed to more benign causes. More importantly, an alert voter can address the situation, either by changing his or her vote or by bringing the matter to the attention of precinct workers and poll watchers.
    Vigilance would seem to be the proper response to these kinds of reports. There have been instances of voter fraud in this election cycle. The Obama administration has shown a marked reluctance to prosecute voter intimidation when it benefits them. So one cannot guarantee there will not be any hanky panky at the polls on the part of public officials looking at forced retirement in the face.
    In this kind of situation, the role of volunteer poll watchers becomes of paramount importance. Tea Party groups and other organizations are taking time to ensure the integrity of the election. It is difficult to cheat if someone is watching.
    Ultimately, there is the old truism that if the margin of victory is wide enough, it is impossible to steal enough votes to swing the election the other way. Anyone thinking of sitting out this election should keep that in mind.
    Sources: Nevada Voters Complain Of Problems At Polls, Fox 5 News Las Vegas, October 26th, 2010
    Voter reports problem with ballot machine, P. Christine Smith, Sun Journal, October 23rd, 2010
    'True the Vote' Uncovers Voter Registration Fraud in Houston, Mark R. Whittington, Associated Content, October 1st, 2010
    Dismissal of Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case 'Racially Motivated' Charges Former Justice Department Lawyer, Mark R. Whittington, Associated Content, June 30th, 2010

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    This actually happened with Bush's stolen election and no one cared, now its an issue because its the democrats being suspected of voter fraud?

    I mean everyone, including the respective political parties pretty much acknowledged the election was fraudulant, its why there where so many newstories talking about how unpatriotic it would have been for the democatic party or its support to push the issue while there was a war on. Combined with Bush's talk about the war on terror being a new sort of perpetual war it was pretty sinister, looked like real el presidenti talk but none of the people who traditionally come out against the democrats for the same reasons where that bothered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    This actually happened with Bush's stolen election and no one cared, now its an issue because its the democrats being suspected of voter fraud?

    I mean everyone, including the respective political parties pretty much acknowledged the election was fraudulant, its why there where so many newstories talking about how unpatriotic it would have been for the democatic party or its support to push the issue while there was a war on. Combined with Bush's talk about the war on terror being a new sort of perpetual war it was pretty sinister, looked like real el presidenti talk but none of the people who traditionally come out against the democrats for the same reasons where that bothered.

    1) Why is this a partisan issue? An attack against democracy is an attack nonetheless, those who ignore such don't deserve it.

    2) Bush's election was controversal not due to funky ballot machines but due to winning the election through a judge deciding to allow absentee votes, where Florida had laws which worked to eradicate them. Combined with the fact that he won via electoral votes and not the popular vote. So I'm not sure how you are making the comparison here, as the controvesy here is different in nature than his election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    1) Why is this a partisan issue? An attack against democracy is an attack nonetheless, those who ignore such don't deserve it.

    2) Bush's election was controversial not due to funky ballot machines but due to winning the election through a judge deciding to allow absentee votes, where Florida had laws which worked to eradicate them. Combined with the fact that he won via electoral votes and not the popular vote. So I'm not sure how you are making the comparison here, as the controversy here is different in nature than his election.
    The fact of the matter are the many theories surrounding Bush and how Florida and Ohio played in his role is one of them... Not to mention Texas. I mean come on, a bunch of people from Florida were apparently unable to vote because names from Texas were sent to Florida for names to "watch out for". A bunch of people from Ohio were sidetracked to other areas only to be push around to another spot to vote.

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    It is a partisan issue because it is, the most loud hue and cry about usurpers undermining democracy come from the most anti-democratic sources.

    The republicans didnt complain about the Bush election (which was all about ballot machines if I remember it correctly, the difference between "hanging cads" and "swinging cads" being part of it) they complained about the people who complained about it, what about the so called "middle class riots" too?

    This is news because its a conspiracy theory about democrats, otherwise it wouldnt be news, in all likelihood it would dismissed as non-news and conspiracy theorising.

    Why? Because Republicans have gotten steadily less democratic, the same as libertarians and capitalists generally, insistance on limited, constitutional government is tacitly about insisting on limited politics and by the same token limited democracy. No one will exert control or influence besides the people who already do, patterns of power and wealth will remain largely unchanged and the world will be a better place accordingly.

    I also think its got something to do with who the real ideologues of the moment are, if you have a tight ideology and dont feel it needs any sort of correction, mitigation or pragmatic interpretation you'll want as few obsticles in the way to realising it and reproducing the world in its image. Maybe the left where the representatives of that kind of idealpolitik once upon a time but now I think its the right wing and unambiguously so.

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    In bizarro world, a potential problem with voting machines benefiting Democrats is really an indication of Republican perfidy...right.

    If the complaints are on the level, its probably most likely that the machines are simply set to assume the incumbent wins, and then glitched somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    In bizarro world, a potential problem with voting machines benefiting Democrats is really an indication of Republican perfidy...right.

    If the complaints are on the level, its probably most likely that the machines are simply set to assume the incumbent wins, and then glitched somehow.
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