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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    According to Fussell, and I agree with him on that, middle class people are actually the most insecure about their status. They yearn to progress into upper class, and they also fear falling into lower class. That's why they tend to do things that "show status", such as joining quasi-political groups such as environmental this, or animal protection that, and most hilarious of all - putting stickers of their alma mater on their cars to show that they went to a good university.
    do you americanos talk about the notion of 'middle class guilt'?

    this is an aussie comedy skit about voting for the environmentalist party - not because you think they will actually get anything done - just to assuage middle class guilt.

    [YOUTUBE="0T9Ao9TxOi8"]chaser - middle class guilt[/YOUTUBE]

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    The French aristocracy exploited the middle class and the workers and so the French aristocrats were fed to Madame Guillotine.

    Whereas the English aristocracy assumed their social responsibilities and gained social ascendancy for one hundred years before settling Australia.

    So fortunately Australia has inherited the manners, mores, values and institutions of the British aristocracy.

    And in the meantime we have democratised British aristocratic mores and institutions, and so each Australian is at heart a democratic aristocrat.

    By contrast the USA has democratised the values and institutions of royalty, so each American is at heart a democratic royalist. I mean Americans elect a king every four years who is the most powerful man in the world as he is not only the political leader, but the Commander-in-Chief and the Head of State. Whereas our Prime Minister only holds power at the discretion of the Party and of Parliament, and can never be Commander-in-Chief or Head of State. Our Prime Minister is not even mentioned in our Constitution.

    As democratic aristocrats we practise the greatest good for the greatest number, and we limit power because we know that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, particularly royal power.

    And so we are fortunate to live in Australia Felix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    do you americanos talk about the notion of 'middle class guilt'?

    this is an aussie comedy skit about voting for the environmentalist party - not because you think they will actually get anything done - just to assuage middle class guilt.
    Lol, yes - "being PC" is a distinctly middle class concept. Lower classes usually adhere to "America, love it or leave it" philosophy, and upper classes can't be bothered to give a shit.

    I think middle class guilt again stems from the sense of insecurity. They will gladly accept responsibility for the misdeeds of the upper classes in order to feel like they had a say in history. A good example being slavery in America. The only people who could afford to own slaves were the people who could afford to own vast amounts of land - the wealthy elite. If you talk to some guilt ridden middle class schmuck, he will act like his great grand daddy owned slaves, while in fact, his great grand daddy probably just kept books on how much cotton the slaves picked for the upper class - and if that book jockey dared to comment on the injustice of slavery, he'd get his ass fired, and would have to join the ranks of proles who were tending the fields right next to the slaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Lol, yes - "being PC" is a distinctly middle class concept. Lower classes usually adhere to "America, love it or leave it" philosophy, and upper classes can't be bothered to give a shit.

    I think middle class guilt again stems from the sense of insecurity. They will gladly accept responsibility for the misdeeds of the upper classes in order to feel like they had a say in history. A good example being slavery in America. The only people who could afford to own slaves were the people who could afford to own vast amounts of land - the wealthy elite. If you talk to some guilt ridden middle class schmuck, he will act like his great grand daddy owned slaves, while in fact, his great grand daddy probably just kept books on how much cotton the slaves picked for the upper class - and if that book jockey dared to comment on the injustice of slavery, he'd get his ass fired, and would have to join the ranks of proles who were tending the fields right next to the slaves.
    Many times, their great-granddaddies were peeling potatoes in Ireland, picking grapes in Italy, or slaughtering pigs in Germany while slavery was going on in the U.S., which makes it that much weirder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Lol, yes - "being PC" is a distinctly middle class concept. Lower classes usually adhere to "America, love it or leave it" philosophy, and upper classes can't be bothered to give a shit.
    Ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Many times, their great-granddaddies were peeling potatoes in Ireland, picking grapes in Italy, or slaughtering pigs in Germany while slavery was going on in the U.S., which makes it that much weirder.
    I agree with you on this. Nothing pisses me off quite like some upper-middle class "too liberal" person telling me how guilty I should feel about being white, even if my grandparents ran around barefoot up in the mountains without shoes until they were twelve - not to mention that there were no plantations or slavery in WV even for wealthier people because of the terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I agree with you on this. Nothing pisses me off quite like some upper-middle class "too liberal" person telling me how guilty I should feel about being white, even if my grandparents ran around barefoot up in the mountains without shoes until they were twelve - not to mention that there were no plantations or slavery in WV even for wealthier people because of the terrain.
    And WV specifically split with the lower part of the state because of the slavery issue. People don't know their history, and they take everything that has been fed to them as gospel. I believe all historical accounts and ideologies should be looked at with a critical eye.

    As to liberal guilt, I think a lot of stems from wanting to seem like a good person without getting caught up in the messiness of actual human experience and emotion. If you never grew up around minorities, it's easy to spout platitudes about them to others, without actually having to DO anything or get to know anyone outside your bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I think middle class guilt again stems from the sense of insecurity. They will gladly accept responsibility for the misdeeds of the upper classes in order to feel like they had a say in history.
    Yes, the USA had a bourgeois revolution in 1776, that is, a revolution of the owners against lawful authority.

    And today the USA remains in the hands of the owners who have created the working poor and a middle class that needs two parents to work to make a living wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Lol, yes - "being PC" is a distinctly middle class concept. Lower classes usually adhere to "America, love it or leave it" philosophy, and upper classes can't be bothered to give a shit.

    I think middle class guilt again stems from the sense of insecurity. They will gladly accept responsibility for the misdeeds of the upper classes in order to feel like they had a say in history.
    yes, i also see the middle class’ obsession with political activism as a kind of search for relevancy and authenticity and a way to disassociate from the lower classes.

    there is a political debate going on in my state at the moment that raises these issues. the fed govt is planning on establishing a facility to house refugees who are waiting for their applications to be processed. the catch is – the govt wants to house them in the middle of an affluent middle class area.

    most refugees seeking asylum in australia are from the middle east. the area where they are proposing to establish the facility is a place where environmentalists and champagne socialists are known to live. these people who claim to be liberally minded (vote left, drive hybrids, donate to amnesty international etc) are now hyperventilating at the thought of having muslim refugees living in their neighbourhood.

    i love it from a social experiment point of view because they are being forced to face the real life consequences of their political ideology and it is hilarious seeing them desperately trying to defend their turf while maintaining the PC facade. they have offered up all sorts of arguments skirting the issue - like ‘they can’t live here - they would be a burden on natural resources.’ the longer the debate goes on - the more desperate and base they become – the PC mask is slipping and their xenophobia is showing. there's an awkwardness about it; the middle class straddle two different worlds.

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