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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Maybe it's because I grew up more lower middle class than middle-middle class, but I don't know anyone with this supposed "middle class guilt", nor is anyone Nationalistic at all. These sort of stereotypes are what annoy me; they always strike me as upper class snobbery or poorer class resentment aimed at the middle class. I'm not sure why the middle class gets the brunt of it either. It's PC to criticize the (shrinking) middle class though. I always noticed this sort of condescension of richer people towards the poor, but ridicule towards the middle class. I wonder if it's because middle class is more of a threat in some way, but it's safe to pity the poor.
    You're doing the exact same thing, except in reverse. People! are you really this retarded their's snobs in every class, but their's also really awesome people in every class. sometimes you have to deal with the dicks to get to the people worth knowing.
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    ... environmentalists and champagne socialists...
    I prefer to use "starbucks socialist", i.e. someone who sits in Starbucks sipping coffee while bitching about the evils of corporate America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    i don't see anyone in this thread calling out one class as being better/wiser/sexier than another*

    i could wax lyrical about middle class guilt and insecurity all day long - i am middle class! it's all around me.

    'class' by its very nature is about generalising - not about pointing out how we are all unique snowflakes and glowing exceptions to the rules, but people get touchy when you talk about class.

    *edgar is just butthurt that he's not a hamptons socialite.

    I don't give a crap about being a hamptons socialite, I just don't want to work for a living.

    I do agree with everything else you've said - class discussion inevitably leads to butthurt.
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    I think the concept of social class is a lot stronger and defined in

    1) Non US (Canadian???) societies
    2) Older generations --> meaning the younger you are in America, the less you can articulate what class is or how it affects you
    3) Extremes in socio-economic backgrounds --> the further you are from the median 'middle class' the more defined your perspective from your own experiences

    Also, I think even defining 'class' in the US is difficult because education and 'good breeding' are not synonymous with how much money you make or how much money your parents make. Education is a huge key to unlock doors and gain access. And people's fortunes change. Especially in the US I feel there are lots of stories of people from humble beginnings (I'm talking about people in their 20s and early 30s) who really through education live a completely different lifestyle and occupy a different social strata than their parents or even themselves in childhood.

    Money doesn't necessarily mark your social class. It might mark you income bracket, but not your class. For instance, there are people who are highly educated but don't necessarily make a lot of money through their chosen profession. That's kind of a luxury in my opinion though. I think class is about how much mobility you have - the higher your class or access to things, the more outside the sphere of normal rules you are and you can choose to go "down" a few levels (like a bad celebutante) and it doesn't tarnish your actual class standing. And there are many jobs that are more profitable than academia. And strippers can make good money but I wouldn't say they are considered high on the social class pole (no pun intended). Traditionally actors and dancers (in many societies in different parts of the world) are low in the social strata even though they can become very popular.

    Okay rambling now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    You're doing the exact same thing, except in reverse.
    Uh huh...I already admitted that I am a bit of a "poor snob"; what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    You're doing the exact same thing, except in reverse.
    Uh huh...I already admitted that I am a bit of a "poor snob"; what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I prefer to use "starbucks socialist", i.e. someone who sits in Starbucks sipping coffee while bitching about the evils of corporate America.
    Working class people do that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I prefer to use "starbucks socialist", i.e. someone who sits in Starbucks sipping coffee while bitching about the evils of corporate America.
    Phssst - that's why I choose to do that while I sip organic fair trade coffee at locally owned sustainable growth eco-conscious community minded mom and pop coffee houses in non gentrified neighborhoods.

    IN YO' FACE BOURGEOISIE!

    Oh wait...Am I the bourgeoisie?

    Dammit.



    BTW, c'mon, who the hell goes to Starbucks to bitch about corporate America. Even in LA. You lie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Oh wait...Am I the bourgeoisie?
    The bourgeoisie are the owners. The bourgeoisie are not the middle class, or the working class or the under class.

    The USA has five percent of the world's population and owns the lion's share of the world. But it is only two percent of that five percent that own the USA.

    So your chances of being part of that two percent of that five percent are very slim indeed.

    And if you were a USA owner, a USA bourgeoisie, you would certainly not announce it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    BTW, c'mon, who the hell goes to Starbucks to bitch about corporate America. Even in LA. You lie!
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