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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    The average IQ for US presidents, according to the study, was approx 134. Given that 1 in 85 people will have an IQ of at least 134, and given the population of the United States is approx 310 mil, there are approx 35 mil people alive in the US at this moment who possess an IQ of at least that of the average president of the United States. Does this still seem so unreasonable?

    Also, looking at the data, if we consider all estimates (4 per president) approx 10% of all estimates are above 150; if we consider the average for each president (the average of their 4 estimates) approx 8% of presidents have an average above 150.
    OK, that makes more sense. I think I misread the chart the first time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarMoon View Post
    As for your second statement, that unfortuanately just isn't so. The vast majority of U.S. presidential elections have been contests of proving how average each of the opponents are; anything else is regarded as "elitist", a word that has become increasingly stigmatized. Joe Sixpack doesn't want an enlightened despot, represented by the fact that there has never been a successful technocracy in the U.S.
    That has less to do with intelligence and more to do with conflicting beliefs. I guarantee that if there were a genius level person who carried Joe Sixpack's values, he would jump at the chance to elect him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    That has less to do with intelligence and more to do with conflicting beliefs. I guarantee that if there were a genius level person who carried Joe Sixpack's values, he would jump at the chance to elect him.
    I have an idea that these people probably exist, but overwhelmingly do not want to run for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    That has less to do with intelligence and more to do with conflicting beliefs. I guarantee that if there were a genius level person who carried Joe Sixpack's values, he would jump at the chance to elect him.
    Which values are you referring to, exactly?
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    It's relative to the person who is judging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Here is a graph I made using the estimates of Presidential IQ provided by an article published in Political Psychology by Dean Keith Simonton.

    Presidential IQ, Openness, Intellectual Brilliance, and Leadership: Estimates and Correlations for 42 U.S. Chief Executives

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    Individual differences in intelligence are consistently associated with leader performance, including the assessed performance of presidents of the United States. Given this empirical significance, IQ scores were estimated for all 42 chief executives from George Washington to G. W. Bush. The scores were obtained by applying missing-values estimation methods (expectation-maximization) to published assessments of (a) IQ (Cox, 1926; n = 8), (b) Intellectual Brilliance (Simonton, 1986c; n = 39), and (c) Openness to Experience (Rubenzer & Faschingbauer, 2004; n = 32). The resulting scores were then shown to correlate with evaluations of presidential leadership performance. The implications for George W. Bush and his presidency were then discussed.




    I have also included normal distribution curves for the IQ of the general population and presidential population for comparison. (Forgive the prehistoric formatting, I'm using an older version of excel on a different computer for this one.)

    This seems somewhat directionally correct though I can't imagine where you got this info. Actually, I think Nixon would be a lot higher and Kennedy a lot lower though, based on what I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    It's relative to the person who is judging.
    This is of course assuming that most people even use a logical method to judge political candidates. There’s a pretty disconcerting amount of evidence to suggest that the average voter ranks physical attractiveness rather high on their list of voting priorities. There’s also the idea that many people will support a leader based on personal affection, party affiliation, and the ability to relate to them, and not at all on the ideological values of the candidate. Honestly, one of the clever moves that I observed about individuals such as Obama is that they’ve masked a portion of their intelligence under the illusion that they’re “just one of the folks”. Even George Bush has done this to a certain extent and is probably not anywhere near as dense as people assume him to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I have an idea that these people probably exist, but overwhelmingly do not want to run for president.
    LOL, so true. I think answering "true" on an IQ test to the statement, "I want to run for president" should score an automatic -10 IQ points.
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    These results are believable. Pretty much all of the former Presidents who I've seen as very intelligent are at the top of the list!
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