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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    So, let me get this straight -- North Korea is kind of like a spider. It's real scary to look at, but then you realize you're wearing closed-toe shoes.
    Yes that's a good way to look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Hitler is not infamous for being a dictator.

    Dictatorship has been around a lot longer than democracy and is much more prevalent throughout history.

    Hitler is infamous for attempted genocide and engulfing the globe in military conflict.

    So comparing every dictator to Hitler is rhetorical at best, and otherwise asinine in most cases.
    Sort of. But the definition of the word "Hitler" has become looser over the years. In order of their adoption, the definitions of the word "Hitler"

    A) The dictator of Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 40s, largely responsible for World War II, the Holocaust, and various other national and international events (not all of which, when realistically examined, were automatically monstrous or even necessarily bad in nature)
    B) Any similar dictator who proposes or accomplishes genocide or unneeded war due to some megalomaniacal urge. (Synonyms from here on: Stalin, Mao)
    C) Any dictator or leader commonly thought to be somewhat corrupt or non-democratic. (Syn: Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro)
    D) Any leader, be they fascist, communist, or democratic, you marginally disagree with. (Synonyms: Anti-Christ)
    E) Any person you disagree with politically (synonyms: Pinhead, worst person in the world)
    F) Any person you marginally disagree with, regardless of the nature of your argument. (Syn: idiot, jerk)
    G) Anyone who annoys you. (Syn: dick, douche)
    H) Anyone, for any reason you can think of. (Synonyms: human being, organism)

    Assuming the trend continues, next will be:

    I) Anything/a word used in any way for any reason (Any object, any concept, any use of the word fuck or fucking, the way the word 'smurf' is used in 'the Smurfs')
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    Definition A is the only that makes any sense. Trying to claim Stalin and Mao as "Hitler" is absurd beyond belief. Especially Stalin who fought against Hitler and was his rival in many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Wars are fought for a variety of purposes, and yes the political factor often is the predominant one - "war is politics by other means". World War I is one example of such, when it was actually more economically advanteous for both sides to peacefully resolve the geopolitical situation. I can also bring up the issue of the Crusades in the Medieval period, where scholars have largely determined that yes indeed they were primarily motivated by religious reasons and not to obtain foreign lands and booty. Military historian John Keegan has referred to this as the "X factor" where men fight for reasons other than mere coercion or material gain.


    No shit man. Jerusalem was a strategic hell hole, surrounded by a sea of Islamic territory. Only religious zeal could have brought the European crusaders there under those hot, dry conditions. The costs much outweighed the tangible benefits. But there had to be some way the energies suppressed by the order of chivalry could be released. That was by direction at a common enemy.

    Anyway, carry on. I don't really have much to add in regard to 20th century stuff.

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    Hitler definitly wasnt ENTP. Cause with regards to his name, if he was entp, he would have married Eva Braun. Cause Braun is German for brown and is the color associated with the political direction of antisemitic fashism. So if he had married her he would've been been: "Adolf Braun, born 1889 in Braunau - Inn".

    So in all dimensions, he was an epic fail
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    So, if one is ENTP, one is compelled to make their name some kind of obscure pun if possible even if one is riddled with some sort of personality/developmental disorder that results in huge disregard for human life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    So, if one is ENTP, one is compelled to make their name some kind of obscure pun if possible even if one is riddled with some sort of personality/developmental disorder that results in huge disregard for human life?
    I have read your sentence 3 times and still dont understand it. But you are definitly not entp, *an-anakin-skywalker-I hate-you* for you !
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    Well, you argue Hitler is not ENTP because he didn't marry Eva Braun for the sake of some incredibly obscure pun. Ergo, all ENTPs must have some weird desire to marry someone just to have a weird, coincidental last name that corresponds to some aspect of their life. This must be true even if, like Adolph Hitler, you have some kind of mental disorder that allows you to totally disregard the value of human life.

    Basically, anyone who doesn't want their last name to be a pun no one really gets is not ENTP.
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    No, your logic is too limited. If he was ENTP the name pun would have been like the most obvious pun he would have needed to use to prove his ENTP status. That's like a fottball player at least needs to be able to run on a soccer field to be a soccer player. Since he did even miss such an obvious pun, he definitly wasnt ENTP. Or maybe he was on pain meds or something and his mind was clouded so he missed the joke.

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    Comparisons between Hitler, Stalin and Mao are stupid, its also extremely stupid to attempt to reduce any of them to megalomaniacal I dont believe that either Mao or Stalin where involved in war mongering like Hitler and neither of them where genocidal. This sort of ahistorical, illiterate BS is propagated by small minded libertarians, generally either young themselves or aiming to pitch their message to young people who dont want to have to deal with complexity, keep it simple, good vs. bad, angels and demons, cowboys and indians.

    Not every dictator is or should be treated the same in anyones estimations, hell, even in the US constitution which is held to be sacrosanct by most libertarians there are provisos for times of war and crisis, in its original incarnation dictators where individuals apppointed during times of crisis, governing beyond that being tyranny and anyone killing a tyrant, in theory, would be rewarded with the gratitude of the restored republic. Its part of the reason that the Praetorian guard became so important in Rome, basically the personal infantry/bodyguard could either engage in or refrain from tryannicide, ie killing leaders occupying supreme office beyond their term limits when the normal functioning of the republic had had to be suspended. In most of the fascist coups or state seizures there where similar bodies of armed devotees who where in the final instance the guarantors of the power/safety of fascist leaders vs. contenders or opponents. Mussolini used to really vibe on all that and imagine he was restoring the ancien Rome of old.

    Stalin and Mao where very different, particularly Mao, to be honest I think a hell of a lot of people in the west just dont understand Mao or Maoism, its pretty culturally specific, making comparisons and allusions is pretty imperfect most of the time and intergenerational conflict, generational shifts, cultural transmission between forebears, present day and future generations is a big deal, there is a long view in play which the west cant fathom really. With consumerism on the rise that could change but it wont change the history of Mao and Maoism.

    All of those examples also are not strictly speaking dictatorships in the old or regime specific sense, they all comprised a constant mobilisation, populising and activism which isnt necessary found in dictatorship and which dictatorship doesnt need in order to last, ie later days of the USSR, for instance in Nazi Germany most of the persecution and murder of public enemies wasnt directly mandated and ordered, most of the time it was ratified by authorities who where one step behind, similar examples exist in Stalin's purges and show trials and Mao's great leap forward or cultural revolution.

    In all instances there where unique cultural landscapes, social histories and ideologies, the differences where real, coincidential common animosity and hatred towards democracy, liberalism, capitalism or individualism is way too insufficient to conclude that its all really the same deal in different guises. None of them are comparable to North Korea, who's not even a charismatic leader in the same sense but more a form of dynastic rule, none of them are comparable because of a mere march past pagentry, wasnt that thing popular in the west too? What do you think air shows and the like there originally about? Democratic shows of strength are still shows of strength, they are less so now because people are scared by them.

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