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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy
    America no longer tries to "stop spreading communism", not since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Aside from China, you pretty much have small bastions left that were largely dependent upon Soviet aid for much of its existence. Trying to take them out militarily really doesn't serve much of a purpose, especially with the end of the Cold War. Now America's self-proclaimed role in the world is to stop "terrorism" not Communism
    Of course not, there is no socialist bloc anymore. China fucked the cause it was founded on, as did the rest of the existing "socialist" countries.But that misses the point of my post- wars are not fought over politics, they are fought over resources, over markets which is the essence of my post which you've entirely overlooked. If a country couldn't defend itself do you truly believe the U.S. would give a fuck? No. The only reason they wont invade is because North Korea can defend itself. The reason we are fighting the ambiguous "war on terror" is to get a foothold in the middle-east, to expand our market of oil and other areas of production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koba View Post
    Of course not, there is no socialist bloc anymore. China fucked the cause it was founded on, as did the rest of the existing "socialist" countries.But that misses the point of my post- wars are not fought over politics, they are fought over resources, over markets which is the essence of my post which you've entirely overlooked.
    Wars are fought for a variety of purposes, and yes the political factor often is the predominant one - "war is politics by other means". World War I is one example of such, when it was actually more economically advanteous for both sides to peacefully resolve the geopolitical situation. I can also bring up the issue of the Crusades in the Medieval period, where scholars have largely determined that yes indeed they were primarily motivated by religious reasons and not to obtain foreign lands and booty. Military historian John Keegan has referred to this as the "X factor" where men fight for reasons other than mere coercion or material gain.

    If a country couldn't defend itself do you truly believe the U.S. would give a fuck? No. The only reason they wont invade is because North Korea can defend itself.
    America alone has enough nukes to destroy the world several times over. North Korea doesn't have the capabilities to truely defend itself, especially not without sufficient foreign support. This is what saved the North Koreans during the Korean War, direct Chinese intervention into the conflict along with Soviet material aid and indirect intervention(ie the Red Air Force secretly providing air support). That won't happen this time.

    Here's one military analyst Carlton Meyer on the situation more:
    North Korea’s million-man army may look impressive on paper, but remember that Iraq had a million-man army, which also had modern equipment, combat experience, and plenty of fuel.

    In contrast, North Korean soldiers suffer from malnutrition and rarely train due to a scarcity of fuel and ammo. Most North Korean soldiers could not attack because they are needed to defend the entire DMZ and coastal approaches (they remember the 1950 landing at Inchon) while entire divisions must remain throughout North Korea to fend off heliborne offensives, food riots, and probable coups.

    On the other hand, the entire 700,000 man South Korean active duty army can be devoted to the defense of Seoul. The modern South Korean army is backed by over 5,000,000 well-trained reservists who can be called to duty in hours. South Korea has twice the population of the North, thirty times its economic power, and spends three times more on its military each year. South Korean military equipment is first class whereas most of the North Korean military equipment is over 30 years old and much is inoperable due to a lack of maintenance. If war broke out, South Korea has a massive industrial capacity and $94 billion in foreign currency reserves to sustain a war, while North Korea has no industry and no money. As a result, South Korea is roughly five times more powerful than North Korea.

    http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm
    So even with the economics argument, the begged question is why bother? South Korea is far more economically valuable to American interests than the North is, and it's an ally.

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    I read in the newspaper the other day that considerable number of Americans dress up as SS officers, Death Heads and all, in the weekend and play war games.

    I find this incomprehensible. If they tried that here, even the RSL (Returned Soldiers League) would be protesting vociferously, never mind everyone else.

    Of course the USA began the program of Eugenics which was taken to perfection by the Death Heads SS.

    And as the American empire is loosing its pre-eminence, perhaps there is a hankering for the absolute power of life and death that Eugenics gives.

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    WWII reenacting has nothing to do with North Korea. :rolli:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    WWII reenacting has nothing to do with North Korea. :rolli:
    C'mon, this is a conversation governed by association, not a military march governed by categories.

    But perhaps I have touched a nerve. Do you dress up as an SS Officer, Death Head and all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, this is a conversation governed by association, not a military march governed by categories.
    Yeah whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. This discussion is about North Korea Victor, stay on topic.

    But perhaps I have touched a nerve. Do you dress up as an SS Officer, Death Head and all?
    No I don't - but these Aussies however do:
    16th SS - Panzer Grenadier Division Reenactment Group of Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yeah whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. This topic is about North Korea Victor stay on topic.
    North Korea only exists by the grace of China. But China is on the rise and won't be denied after centuries of humiliation by the West.

    And the USA won't surrender it's global empire without a fight.

    China only has a few land based nuclear missiles that can be taken our by a first strike by the USA. But Russia has mobile land nuclear missiles and nuclear missiles under the sea in submarines which can't be taken out by a USA first strike.

    So as I speak China is forging an alliance with Russia to win the war with the USA.

    And if there is a nuclear stand-off, the war will not be fought in the USA but in China and it will be primarily an air and sea war.

    And interestingly China will loose the battle but win the war. For one simple reason, the Americans will underestimate the capacity of the Chinese people for suffering.

    We only have to read these threads to see Americans are consumed by narcissism with very little capacity for suffering.

    And seeing the world in their own image, the Americans will be surprised by the capacity of the Chinese and their Russian allies for suffering, and so loose the Chinese American war.

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    See Victor, that wasn't so hard now was it?

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    Hitler is not infamous for being a dictator.

    Dictatorship has been around a lot longer than democracy and is much more prevalent throughout history.

    Hitler is infamous for attempted genocide and engulfing the globe in military conflict.

    So comparing every dictator to Hitler is rhetorical at best, and otherwise asinine in most cases.

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    So, let me get this straight -- North Korea is kind of like a spider. It's real scary to look at, but then you realize you're wearing closed-toe shoes.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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