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    Quote Originally Posted by Koba View Post
    Stalin, unlike Kim (who fosters his personality cult) combated his personality cult. Perhaps the OP knows of this usually overlooked fact.
    Even if true, I sincerely doubt it.

    Also if North Korea was militarily speaking a "shithole" I don't get why the south or some other imperialist power hasn't stepped in and fucked them over yet.
    What would even be the point of such a move?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koba View Post
    Stalin, unlike Kim (who fosters his personality cult) combated his personality cult. Perhaps the OP knows of this usually overlooked fact.
    Forgive me for finding it odd (and perhaps slightly telling?) this is one of the very first posts of the dude whose avatar is Stalin. EDIT: And I have found your username itself was one of Stalin's nicknames after a character in a novel! You learn something new every day.

    Also, I concur mostly with Peguy. N. Korea is generally not worth a full-fledged invasion or reassembly (I think Afghanistan and Iraq have shown how difficult that can be, even for what is generally considered the world's sole superpower, and Afghanistan had far better cause than N. Korea). Unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, N. Korea has a small bargaining chip in international politics: they actually possess a nuke. Generally, this is enough for a few mostly token appeasements and a stronger reconsideration for any sort of military resistance, but at the same time Kim Jong is probably not actually insane and probably is self-interested: he knows use of a nuke on any enemies is probably the equivalent of putting a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Maybe if his name was Kim Jong Ju Hi tl la it would have been more fun, no ? no
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    Well the Korean civil war and the U.S.'s involvement, and military aid given to South Korea today is a good indication of the U.S.'s underlying intentions. We can pretend it's to "stop the spread of communism" or whatever catch-phrases they throw around but the underlying basis for any war or military occupation is one of procuring or defending resources.

    Also, I think it's a very one sided and incorrect attempt to try to understand a nation or to define one simply by the head of state. Kim may be premiere/president/king but to say he is the sole catalyst in North Korea is absurd. It is the workings of the people within the country and the economic conditions it must face that dictate the direction North Korea moves in, NOT the will of a single person.
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    America no longer tries to "stop spreading communism", not since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Aside from China, you pretty much have small bastions left that were largely dependent upon Soviet aid for much of its existence. Trying to take them out militarily really doesn't serve much of a purpose, especially with the end of the Cold War. Now America's self-proclaimed role in the world is to stop "terrorism" not Communism.

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    Well, to an extent. I think there are still a few attempts to keep Communist elements down, mostly in South America. There is some evidence to suggest America attempted to remove Hugo Chavez from power during the Bush administration, and based on what I know if the man US perception of him is heavily and possibly purposefully demonized. Similarly, I think there was some effort (those less direct) to keep the Sandinistas and Daniel Ortega from regaining power in Nicaragua (sadly, it's been a while since I looked at the specifics and I'm fuzzy here). This, of course, has failed: Ortega resumed power in 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    WTF does this have to do with Hitler? Juche is not National Socialism.
    Its a cliche alright

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    Well alot of what's going on with Latin America mostly has to do with issues that relate to American interests. Chavez of course rules a country supplies a great of oil to America and the world, and FARC in Colombia is supposedly a major supplier of drugs. Much of American policies towards Castro still largely remains that of containment.

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    Peguy, I think the anti-terrorism crusade was innovated by the Ruskies, their spooks fomented threats all across Chechnia, it was the populist idea to replace socialism which they hoped would get world support, whatever the economic or welfarist views of the locals but the US has taken the idea and made it theirs. No one cares about communism if it's actually yeilding results for western consumers. Hell the constant references to north korea are just to placate its attention whoring leaders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Peguy, I think the anti-terrorism crusade was innovated by the Ruskies, their spooks fomented threats all across Chechnia, it was the populist idea to replace socialism which they hoped would get world support, whatever the economic or welfarist views of the locals but the US has taken the idea and made it theirs. No one cares about communism if it's actually yeilding results for western consumers. Hell the constant references to north korea are just to placate its attention whoring leaders
    Interesting thesis. I don't know if the Russians actually invented the concept per se, much of American rhetoric against terrorism dates back to the 70s at least - and especially in wake of the Iranian Revolution. I do know Russians used concepts of a war against terrorism to justify their campaigns in Chechnya.

    Concerning Communism, yes America doesn't care less about it when it serves American interests, as was the case with Yugoslavia, or especially consumerism as is the case with China and the Soviet Union back in the 1930s.

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